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Old 18th Aug 2016, 11:39
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Some good bits, but terrible editing, difficult enough for aviation professionals to follow but impossible for the the man on the street.
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Old 18th Aug 2016, 12:30
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It was certainly good, as people have said the voice over was...interesting! SAR had me agog - the length those guys go to, puts the infringer at Gatwick to shame when you have these guys 100nm North!

I wish they'd covered a bit more of the ATC side, perhaps that is to come? I've always wanted to know how these controllers manage to deal with the huge volumes of traffic...
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Old 18th Aug 2016, 12:58
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Originally Posted by BEagle
But we regularly pulled 5G in the JP without them, even when there wasn't the current fitness obsession. Didn't seem to be a problem; neither was 7G in the Hawk (or 8G once in a Hunter T7...) - so I wonder whether there's some benefit from repeated exposure to G forces as well as the various straining manoeuvres taught nowadays? Although sustaining 9G is something very different, of course.
And we can pull 6G without the aid of a g-suit too, but as you rightly suggest, instantaneous G is relatively easy, it's sustained G that is difficult, hence the extra PT and G-straining manoeuvres.

I think they know what they're doing!
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Old 18th Aug 2016, 13:09
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Also, is it just me or is the statement from the NATS lady at the beginning: "all aircraft that are receiving an ATC service over England and Wales are getting it from this room" substantially incorrect!?
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Originally Posted by sitigeltfel
As it involved the Military, there was an all too predictably sneering review from....you know who!

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-r...me-out-of-here
The writer: 'Tim Jonze is the music editor of guardian.co.uk. You can follow him on Twitter at @timjonze'
Think I'll give it a miss

P.S For anyone thinking of commenting in the Graun; I understand that deviation from the Party Line will have you banned and your comment deleted.
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Old 18th Aug 2016, 13:30
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All very impressive.
I've stood in Swanwick and watched the workload increase as a line of Cb passed through.
Needless to say, envied the fighter jocks and was mega impressed by the decision making and execution of the mountain rescue. Loved the way the casualty grabbed the first part of the chopper which came within reach.
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Old 18th Aug 2016, 13:34
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Hey! Just had a thought re rotor blade proximity to obstructions.
What about a laser ranging array just under the rotor to give visual and audible warning?
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Old 18th Aug 2016, 14:03
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Hey! Just had a thought re rotor blade proximity to obstructions.
What about a l@ser ranging array just under the rotor to give visual and audible warning?
What - like this one? AgustaWestland Helicopter Obstacle Proximity LIDAR System - Aerossurance
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Old 18th Aug 2016, 15:24
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I agree that the winch operator deserves a medal. She, and the others, were incredibly brave. They decided it was unsafe to go to where the walker was, but when told that the walker would die if the did not, they risked their own lives anyway. I watched that program and was amazed and full of admiration.
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Buggah! Too late again!
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Old 18th Aug 2016, 15:59
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And wouldn't the call sign therefore be "Rushton" and not as the BBC had it "Rushden".
Not sure - I've been told two different things:-

I was told it was something to do with Alan Cobham's association with the village of Rushden in the 1930s.

Also told it was something to do with Tarrant Rushton.

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Old 18th Aug 2016, 16:03
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Originally Posted by airpolice
if not for the guys in the Local and doing Director
Isn't some Director done remotely and I noticed a report about remote Local too.
British airports consider replacing air traffic controllers with remote system
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Old 19th Aug 2016, 13:03
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Basil, maybe so however, as Crablab wrote, the statement is substantially incorrect. There will have been dozens of aircraft ouside controlled receiving an ATC service which wasn't supplied by Swanwick and dozens inside controlled airspace (around Manchester, Birmingham, East Midlands etc) that weren't receiving an ATC service from Swanwick.
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Old 19th Aug 2016, 14:57
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The Rushton Winch was fitted to Canberras for target towing - a service provided today by FR Aviation
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Old 19th Aug 2016, 14:57
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I don't know where she worked in RAF ATC but it seems it didn't have a LARS function. Long before the Flight Lootenant comment, I was reeling from her claim that Swanwick do everything.
She was at Marham in the early 80's.
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Old 19th Aug 2016, 16:02
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At least the programme showed what chaos can be caused by an unknown puddlejumper blundering into controlled airspace....

Yet there are still some GA pilots who think that an infringement doesn't really matter if it didn't actually affect anyone else at the time....
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Old 19th Aug 2016, 16:44
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Not quite right. Delmar high speed winch with the Rushton target. Many years ago I used to sit in the back of Meteor TT20s and operate the system. In case you are wondering, 1574 Target Facilities Flight , RAF Changi.

Rgds SJH
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Old 20th Aug 2016, 12:33
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Right ... thank you BBC iPlayer. All the above comments now make sense!!!

I enjoyed the programme, and whilst I could pick a few inaccuracies and unnecessary embellishments (Typhoon victory rolls, anyone?) I think it served the British Public quite well.

Basil ... Scampton Director was operated from the Wadington Approach Room in the 80s, but I accept that's not quite what's being discussed.

beefix ... 1574 of fond/distant memory, with their rather smart black tail-fins IIRC They enabled me to claim I controlled Meteors on my first 2 tours in ATC
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Old 20th Aug 2016, 15:15
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An excellent programme and I echo the above comments ref the Coastguard crews, absolutely fantastic and I always enjoyed watching them whilst they were training here at Norwich.

Question that I had been meaning to ask and I don't at all mean this to be insensitive at all, but I noticed the Flt Lt who I assume appeared to suffer from Alopecia flying in the Typhoon. I'm presuming the RAF allow FJ Pilots and any Aircrew to continue flying? I (as a civvy and outsider and one who stands to be firmly corrected) only thought that the lack of eyelashes/eyebrows etc would possibly cause issues with sweat whilst flying?

I must admit, upon looking at the RAF medical requirements - I from what I recall, never saw alopecia on the list as a bar to entry.

Merely curious and as I say - don't wish to sound or come across insensitive.

Thanks.
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Old 20th Aug 2016, 15:35
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RUSHTON was used as a c/s by aircraft flying for Flight Refuelling out of Tarrant Rushton flying targets for the "Thursday War" with the RN et alia.
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