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Old 15th Aug 2016, 00:22
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New RAF Trainer

Gallery at following link showing Embraer Phenom, serial ZM333. The Phenom will replace the King Air at RAF Cranwell.

EMBRAER PHENOM 100 - THE PHENOM - Affinity Flying Training Services
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What's happening to the Tucano's then? It seems odd to add another type if they are staying.

We have a couple of Phenom based here and they look a bit "Tinny" so I will be interested to see how well they stand up to military use compared to the King Airs.

I note the Grobs are the Turbo Prop versions, bang seats and all.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...rocket-352414/

The training aircraft will be the Grob G 120TP ‘Prefect’ for elementary flying training, the Beechcraft ‘Texan’ T-6C for basic flying training and the Embraer ‘Phenom’ 100 for multi-engine pilot training.

Thirty-eight modern, glass cockpit aircraft will be delivered in a phased approach over the next three years comprising 23 Grob G 120TP ‘Prefects’, 10 Beechcraft ‘Texan’ T-6Cs s and 5 Embraer ‘Phenom’ 100 jets – all featuring digital cockpits, exposing students at an early stage to the technologies they will rely on at the operational level.

http://www.affinityfts.co.uk/affinit...istry-defence/

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... exposing students at an early stage to the technologies they will rely on at the operational level...
So, it's the end of the analogue clocks, then ? (that's me finished !)

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I find it interesting they intend to use a jet for multi engine training. Are the majority of the RAF large multi engine aircraft not still turboprops, ie Atlas and C130. I would suggest it easier to transition a turboprop trained pilot to a jet than vice versa.
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I find it interesting they intend to use a jet for multi engine training. Are the majority of the RAF large multi engine aircraft not still turboprops, ie Atlas and C130. I would suggest it easier to transition a turboprop trained pilot to a jet than vice versa.
Not to mention engine out handling: wing mounted vs rear fuselage mounted engines?
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Makes it easier to get your licences at an early stage so you can build up your experience for the airlines.
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http://ukarmedforcescommentary.blogs pot.co.uk/p/uk-military-flying-training-system.html

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Originally Posted by bingofuel
I find it interesting they intend to use a jet for multi engine training. Are the majority of the RAF large multi engine aircraft not still turboprops, ie Atlas and C130. I would suggest it easier to transition a turboprop trained pilot to a jet than vice versa.
You could equally say all the MFTS helicopters are skid equipped, but all/most operational ones have wheels. It just means more training, airframe hours, and costs on the OCU. Keeps MFTS cheaper (he says cynically).

PS First Grob in build here:
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That M.17 bang seat is an amazing looking piece of kit - so small compared to its ancestors!
Could do with one of those in the 152...
...actually the 152 could do with a tiny turboprop and one of those five bladed props as well...
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Is the 'prefect' actually getting the bang seat? I heard a vicious rumour it was coming sans bang/oxygen, though it was only a rumour.
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Should have kept a couple of Canberra T4s for asymetric training..............
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If you read the link I posted the helicopter one is also coming up with different types in the offing.
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H135/H145 Juno/Jupiter - the first one flew last week
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Is its serviceability any better, from what I have heard 30% is not good enough.
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If you read the link I posted the helicopter one is also coming up with different types in the offing.
I mentioned it here

http://www.pprune.org/military-aviat...elected-2.html
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Originally Posted by Davef68
H135/H145 Juno/Jupiter - the first one flew last week
https://www.airbushelicopters.com/we...MFTS_1995.html

(photos courtesy of AH)

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Is the 'prefect' actually getting the bang seat? I heard a vicious rumour it was coming sans bang/oxygen, though it was only a rumour.
Not rumour. The bang seat I'd agree the RAF can do without in EFT.

Oxygen and air conditioning in a glass cockpit TP capable of ops well above 10,000 would have been nice though.

But don't worry, I'm sure Grob gave the MOD/Ascent/Affinity a nice discount on the price by asking to remove the systems from the original configuration. Every penny helps...
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But don't worry, I'm sure Grob gave the MOD/Ascent/Affinity a nice discount on the price by asking to remove the systems from the original configuration. Every penny helps...
Tongue firmly in cheek? This is what went wrong on Chinook Mk3.
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As it would probably involve a certain amount of redesign work to accommodate the RAF, you might find the savings were / are pitiful, remember the fiasco over the Typhoons gun, where it was cheaper to simply fit it but not at the time use it, rather than design and build a ballast system to replace it.

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remember the fiasco over the Typhoons gun, where it was cheaper to simply fit it but not at the time use it, rather than design and build a ballast system to replace it.
...and then to eventually use it after all. Fiasco indeed.
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