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Army Duelling
Duelling Officers Set Fire To Mess | Forces TV
Hi jinks or the brown job equivalent of bicycle jousting ..... You decide
Hi jinks or the brown job equivalent of bicycle jousting ..... You decide
How about criminal behaviour? I can guarantee if it had been junior ranks a spell in Colchester would have followed should be no different just because they're commissioned; if anything the punishment should be more severe.
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I vote send them to Colchester, Officers or not!
I gather the duellists couldn't hit each other when they fired, but managed [just] to hit the Mess.
And clearly the Fire Inspection and Risk Assessment regime was derisory, to have water supply cut off since January.
You couldn't make it up. Not a jolly jape, sheer incompetence.
Thank God for the Regiment!
And clearly the Fire Inspection and Risk Assessment regime was derisory, to have water supply cut off since January.
You couldn't make it up. Not a jolly jape, sheer incompetence.
Thank God for the Regiment!
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Fortunate indeed to have tested the fire response the way they did, and with no casualties. God help all involved if a fire had occurred by more expected means and there had been people injured or worse.
Bet no-one ever turns off the sprinklers again on MoD property and forgets about it.
Bet no-one ever turns off the sprinklers again on MoD property and forgets about it.
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The issue is it is in the press and the fact it initially tied up 10 units of the counties finest, again in the press.
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Originally Posted by waterbottle
As long as there is a blank cheque on the mess managers desk the following morning I really don't see the issue.
Firstly, there's the issue of two idiots firing off flares at each other while sat in a couple of kayaks in the paddling pool...
Secondly, they set fire to the Bldg as a DIRECT result of their stupidity. It's called ARSON and IIRC can be punished by life imprisonment!
Thirdly, they put EVERYONE in the Bldg at risk because they set the place on fire, okay the fire hoses were shut off... The directive to do that came out years ago when DE were in the chair. They should have been fully removed.
What if they had been NCO's or JR's would a 'blank cheque' be acceptable then? No of course it wouldn't, they would have been in jail before the fire engines got through the gates. What makes it different for these two?
Out of interest, where is the money coming from to repair the Bldg, which is now unoccupiable when we are struggling to fund even minor repairs? As for the hotel bills for everyone that's now homeless...
Cost to fix it? almost certainly over 100k and I wouldn't be surprised if it got close to 500k or more if the place needs a full re-wire, re-dec, new ceilings, new carpets, drying out etc.... Just share it out on the mess bills for the dinner that was on...
Supposed to be responsible Officers and leaders of men? Don't make me laugh, my two grandkids at 5 & 6 show more responsibility than these two muppets. A fine example they showed to the JR Trainees on the base, not. Trainees who get rifted for pretty much anything and everything btw.
GCM, bust them to Trooper (or whatever the tankies call a private) some time to reflect on the matter in Colchester, a fine that will cover the cheque and make them pay back the cost of the training that the army has wasted training the numpties!.... Then soldier on in the ranks for a bit just to really piss them off!
And breathe....
With regards to the fire hoses, the argument goes that you can't test a hose for serviceability so fire extinguishers are the answer, which they did have. Fire hoses are dependent on servicing, the water pressure being correct, the water supply being available etc etc, whereas fire extinguishers are easy.
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Good to see someone who takes the issue seriously, Always.
While, in my 'young and frisky' days, I'd been partial to the occasional a bit of 'fun and mischief' or even a tad of 'havoc and mayhem',
it was generally not at Her Majesty's expense or undue inconvenience.
These half-arced dudes need their bottoms spanked - and, more particularly, be made to pay for it.
While, in my 'young and frisky' days, I'd been partial to the occasional a bit of 'fun and mischief' or even a tad of 'havoc and mayhem',
it was generally not at Her Majesty's expense or undue inconvenience.
These half-arced dudes need their bottoms spanked - and, more particularly, be made to pay for it.
Some of you will recall the high jinks at the Mess at RAF Boulmer in the early 1990s, when a chopped student decided to let off a maritime anti-collision flare during a Dining In. The same evening saw a car rolled on to its roof. No amount of cheques was going to sort out that debacle. The officer in question was severely disciplined, lost his commission, but is still serving - I ran into him at Farnborough two weeks ago. Still a prat.
As ever, the outrage bus turned up and the anticipated Offr v OR "in my day" rhetoric cracks off. These two individuals both possess serious judgement impairment but to be fair, it is an old game that got out of hand; arson (?!) - have a word with yourself.
Guess what will happen? The chain of command will deal with these two appropriately to the severity of the crime in question. Either way, I doubt they'll be taking reference from a bunch of chippy internet forum posters before invoking the appropriate AGAI.
Guess what will happen? The chain of command will deal with these two appropriately to the severity of the crime in question. Either way, I doubt they'll be taking reference from a bunch of chippy internet forum posters before invoking the appropriate AGAI.
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As ever, the outrage bus turned up and the anticipated Offr v OR "in my day" rhetoric cracks off. These two individuals both possess serious judgement impairment but to be fair, it is an old game that got out of hand; arson (?!) - have a word with yourself.
Maxibon, so you're telling us that you don't believe a JR would get time in Colchester for a similar offence in the JR bar? Just because they're offr's doesn't mean that it automatically gets treated in house by their CO this should go to Courts Martial full stop same as it would for a JR (caveat I'm no lawyer and I'm only going by the press release which pretty much says they did it).
Maxibon, so you're telling us that you don't believe a JR would get time in Colchester for a similar offence in the JR bar? Just because they're offr's doesn't mean that it automatically gets treated in house by their CO this should go to Courts Martial full stop same as it would for a JR (caveat I'm no lawyer and I'm only going by the press release which pretty much says they did it).
As ever, the outrage bus turned up and the anticipated Offr v OR "in my day" rhetoric cracks off. These two individuals both possess serious judgement impairment but to be fair, it is an old game that got out of hand; arson (?!) - have a word with yourself.
Maxibon, so you're telling us that you don't believe a JR would get time in Colchester for a similar offence in the JR bar? Just because they're offr's doesn't mean that it automatically gets treated in house by their CO this should go to Courts Martial full stop same as it would for a JR (caveat I'm no lawyer and I'm only going by the press release which pretty much says they did it).
Maxibon, so you're telling us that you don't believe a JR would get time in Colchester for a similar offence in the JR bar? Just because they're offr's doesn't mean that it automatically gets treated in house by their CO this should go to Courts Martial full stop same as it would for a JR (caveat I'm no lawyer and I'm only going by the press release which pretty much says they did it).
I believe as it will be a criminal matter it is my business as both a member of the military and a tax payer! These idiots have embarrased themselves and the wider Armed Forces. We've worked hard over Afghan and Iraq to show the public we are a dedicated and professional Armed Forces clowns like this do great damage to that reputation.
I repeat your statement:
As ever, the outrage bus turned up and the anticipated Offr v OR "in my day" rhetoric cracks off. These two individuals both possess serious judgement impairment but to be fair, it is an old game that got out of hand; arson (?!) - have a word with yourself.
I would say it is not a game and the anticipated Offr v OR rhetoric is well justified in that I would guess these two will serve no time in Collie and will instead be severly reprimanded and probably lauded as legends in their mess.
I repeat your statement:
As ever, the outrage bus turned up and the anticipated Offr v OR "in my day" rhetoric cracks off. These two individuals both possess serious judgement impairment but to be fair, it is an old game that got out of hand; arson (?!) - have a word with yourself.
I would say it is not a game and the anticipated Offr v OR rhetoric is well justified in that I would guess these two will serve no time in Collie and will instead be severly reprimanded and probably lauded as legends in their mess.
Well done 4EAD, I'll drop an email to their CO asking him to read your comments and recommendations. We're all aware of Afghan and Iraq but your use of hyperbole et al is wonderful.
Back to your Daily Mail and Jeremy Vine show. Have a nice day.
Back to your Daily Mail and Jeremy Vine show. Have a nice day.