Red Arrows will not display Suffolk Show 2016
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Red Arrows will not display Suffolk Show 2016
The Red Arrows have announced that they will not display at The Suffolk Show,Trinity Park near Ipswich this Summer. Safety factors quoted include the proximity of built-up areas and the location of major junctions on two busy roads nearby: viz A12 and A14.
Last edited by OUAQUKGF Ops; 25th Feb 2016 at 19:29. Reason: Inaccuracy.
Yes that will make the Farnborough Air Show impossible. It will be very difficult to observe/monitor the major roads around Farnborough and Aldershot M3 etc.,from the airfield, without many observers off site.
Unless of course there is one CAA rule for small shows and another for others.
This knee jerk reaction by the CAA will be the nail in the coffin for many more air shows this year.
Changing display gate heights mid display according to the local traffic, as happened at displays post Shoreham last year, is very dangerous in itself.
Unless of course there is one CAA rule for small shows and another for others.
This knee jerk reaction by the CAA will be the nail in the coffin for many more air shows this year.
Changing display gate heights mid display according to the local traffic, as happened at displays post Shoreham last year, is very dangerous in itself.
Red 10 (Mike Ling) was very careful on BBC Radio Suffolk this morning, to point out that the Reds' displays were carried out under military regs, and that the decision had nothing to do with Shoreham or the CAA's reaction to it.
He would say that wouldn't he. How come the Reds flew many displays last year passing over busy roads i.e. Farnborough . Of course its got to do with the aftermath of Shoreham.
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I must check my facts! It appears that the Red Arrows have not displayed at The Suffolk Show in recent years, if at all. Correction made. Apologies.
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Well, this site reveals they are
British and UK Airshow 2016 dates - Calendar of British Air Shows 2016
But then, this site
RAF Red Arrows - Display dates and venues
Doubts that.
I hear what you say though about livestock.
Sept 1994, Nidderdale Show Pateley Bridge (North Yorkshire, for non Navigators) 2 x USAF A-10's overflew the showground, jinking and wazzing low level as they did.
Sheep scattered, goats gone, cows cowered, horses horrified, lambs livid. Owners not too pleased as well. All recorded on BBC local radio live.
After 30 mins, all livestock calmed down, big sighs of relief from owners (big cries of joy from manure collectors).
2 minutes later, the A-10's came back and repeated the performance.
Whoops
A record number of Flying Complaints to Leeming that day. My Biro ran out.
Happy days
British and UK Airshow 2016 dates - Calendar of British Air Shows 2016
But then, this site
RAF Red Arrows - Display dates and venues
Doubts that.
I hear what you say though about livestock.
Sept 1994, Nidderdale Show Pateley Bridge (North Yorkshire, for non Navigators) 2 x USAF A-10's overflew the showground, jinking and wazzing low level as they did.
Sheep scattered, goats gone, cows cowered, horses horrified, lambs livid. Owners not too pleased as well. All recorded on BBC local radio live.
After 30 mins, all livestock calmed down, big sighs of relief from owners (big cries of joy from manure collectors).
2 minutes later, the A-10's came back and repeated the performance.
Whoops
A record number of Flying Complaints to Leeming that day. My Biro ran out.
Happy days
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I think if you look at the satellite imagery on this link you will understand why the Red Arrows deemed the site unsuitable. Apart from a large industrial complex almost on one doorstep of Trinity Park and housing on the other, nearby the A14 is an extremely busy and often congested dual carriageway carrying a very high volume of container traffic from and to the port of Felixstowe. Bulls running amok - yet another interesting dimension.
https://www.list.co.uk/place/64541-the-suffolk-showground/
https://www.list.co.uk/place/64541-the-suffolk-showground/
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Some of you may or may not know, there is/was due to be a practice display by the Reds at Coningsby today. Some of you also may or may not know that there is a an area on private land called 'the mound', accessed from Dogdyke Rd, which is, unsurprisingly, a large earth mound which offers good photographic views over the airfield above the top of the perimeter fence. The farmer who owns the land allows photographers to park on his land and use the mound without any problems, usually, today however, 15 mins before the Reds were due, RAF plod turns up and insists everyone must vacate the mound due to 'health & safety' reasons! Notwithstanding the fact the mound is on private land and she had no legal right to ask people to move off it, is this an indication perhaps of things to come since the tragedy at Shoreham I wonder?
-RP
-RP
Looking at the aerial view of the showground I will be expecting the Reds to deem Farnborough to be unsuitable as well. There is rather less green space surrounding it than the showground for sure.
Meanwhile there seems to be a certain amount of histrionic panic setting in whenever they carry out a practice. I think Miss Snowdrop would have been on dodgy ground had she been challenged over the health and safety assertion.
Meanwhile there seems to be a certain amount of histrionic panic setting in whenever they carry out a practice. I think Miss Snowdrop would have been on dodgy ground had she been challenged over the health and safety assertion.
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Not sure where you saw that CP - I don't recall there being a Farnborough show last year
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How come the Reds flew many displays last year passing over busy roads i.e. Farnborough
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Read Arrows displays 2016
MAY
8 May Shuttleworth Season Premiere, Biggleswade, Central Bedfordshire
21 May Blackpool Pleasure Beach, Blackpool, Lancs
28 May Durham Skylive Airshow, Durham Tees-Valley Airport, Darlington
29 May The American Air Show, IWM Duxford, Cambridge
June
4 June Arbroath Armed Forces Day Parade, Arbroath, Scotland
7 June Isle of Man TT Races (Douglas), Isle of Man
10 June Luchtmachtdagen, Leeuwarden AB, Netherlands
11 June Biggin Hill Festival of Flight, Biggin Hill Airport, Kent
12 June Torbay Air Show, Paignton Green, Torbay
12 June Festival of Transport Barry Island, Vale of Glamorgan, South Wales
18 June Weston Air Festival, Weston-Super-Mare
19 June RAF Cosford Air Show, Shropshire
23, 24 & 25 June Goodwood Festival of Speed
25 June Armed Forces' Day National Event Cleethorpes, Sea Front, Cleethorpes
26 June Belgian Air Force Days, Florennes Air Base, Belgium
July
2 July Yeovilton Air Day, Royal Naval Air Station Yeovilton, Somerset
2-3 July Wales National Airshow, Swansea
8, 9 & 10 July Royal International Air Tattoo, RAF Fairford, Gloucestershire
9 July 2016 Formula 1 British Grand Prix qualifying session, Silverstone
15, 16 & 17 July Farnborough International Airshow, Hampshire
21 July Lyme Regis Charities' Week, West Dorset
22 July America's Cup, Southsea
22-23 July Sunderland International Airshow, Sunderland
23 July Scotland’s National Airshow, National Museum of Flight, East Fortune
24 July Bray Air Display, County Wicklow, Ireland
August
6 August Newcastle Festival of Flight, Northern Ireland
7 August Blackpool Air Show, Promenade, Blackpool
7 August Wirral Air Show, King's Promenade, New Brighton, Wallasey
10 August Minehead Summer Festival, Somerset
10 August Falmouth Week, Cornwall
11 August Cowes Week, Isle of Wight
12-13 August Eastbourne International Airshow, Eastbourne
14 August Herne Bay Airshow, Herne Bay, Kent
17 August Cromer Carnival, Norfolk
17 August Weymouth Carnival, Dorset
18, 19, 20 & 21 August Bournemouth Air Festival, Bournemouth
21 August Whitby Regatta, North Yorkshire
25-26 August Clacton Airshow, Clacton-on-Sea, Essex
26 August Sidmouth Regatta, Sidmouth, Devon
27-28 August Dunsfold Wings & Wheels, Surrey
28 August Rhyl Air Show, Denbighshire, Wales
29 August Isles of Scilly Maritime Gathering, Isles of Scilly
September
2 September Chatsworth Country Fair, Bakewell, Derbyshire
3 September Scottish Airshow, Prestwick
3-4 September Northern Ireland International Airshow, Portrush
4 September Chatsworth Country Fair, Bakewell, Derbyshire
8 September RAFA Guernsey Air Display, Guernsey
8 September Jersey International Air Display, Jersey
10 September Southport Air Show, Southport, Merseyside
11 September Great North Run, Newcastle
11 September The Duxford Air Show: Meet The Fighters, Duxford, Cambridgeshire
MAY
8 May Shuttleworth Season Premiere, Biggleswade, Central Bedfordshire
21 May Blackpool Pleasure Beach, Blackpool, Lancs
28 May Durham Skylive Airshow, Durham Tees-Valley Airport, Darlington
29 May The American Air Show, IWM Duxford, Cambridge
June
4 June Arbroath Armed Forces Day Parade, Arbroath, Scotland
7 June Isle of Man TT Races (Douglas), Isle of Man
10 June Luchtmachtdagen, Leeuwarden AB, Netherlands
11 June Biggin Hill Festival of Flight, Biggin Hill Airport, Kent
12 June Torbay Air Show, Paignton Green, Torbay
12 June Festival of Transport Barry Island, Vale of Glamorgan, South Wales
18 June Weston Air Festival, Weston-Super-Mare
19 June RAF Cosford Air Show, Shropshire
23, 24 & 25 June Goodwood Festival of Speed
25 June Armed Forces' Day National Event Cleethorpes, Sea Front, Cleethorpes
26 June Belgian Air Force Days, Florennes Air Base, Belgium
July
2 July Yeovilton Air Day, Royal Naval Air Station Yeovilton, Somerset
2-3 July Wales National Airshow, Swansea
8, 9 & 10 July Royal International Air Tattoo, RAF Fairford, Gloucestershire
9 July 2016 Formula 1 British Grand Prix qualifying session, Silverstone
15, 16 & 17 July Farnborough International Airshow, Hampshire
21 July Lyme Regis Charities' Week, West Dorset
22 July America's Cup, Southsea
22-23 July Sunderland International Airshow, Sunderland
23 July Scotland’s National Airshow, National Museum of Flight, East Fortune
24 July Bray Air Display, County Wicklow, Ireland
August
6 August Newcastle Festival of Flight, Northern Ireland
7 August Blackpool Air Show, Promenade, Blackpool
7 August Wirral Air Show, King's Promenade, New Brighton, Wallasey
10 August Minehead Summer Festival, Somerset
10 August Falmouth Week, Cornwall
11 August Cowes Week, Isle of Wight
12-13 August Eastbourne International Airshow, Eastbourne
14 August Herne Bay Airshow, Herne Bay, Kent
17 August Cromer Carnival, Norfolk
17 August Weymouth Carnival, Dorset
18, 19, 20 & 21 August Bournemouth Air Festival, Bournemouth
21 August Whitby Regatta, North Yorkshire
25-26 August Clacton Airshow, Clacton-on-Sea, Essex
26 August Sidmouth Regatta, Sidmouth, Devon
27-28 August Dunsfold Wings & Wheels, Surrey
28 August Rhyl Air Show, Denbighshire, Wales
29 August Isles of Scilly Maritime Gathering, Isles of Scilly
September
2 September Chatsworth Country Fair, Bakewell, Derbyshire
3 September Scottish Airshow, Prestwick
3-4 September Northern Ireland International Airshow, Portrush
4 September Chatsworth Country Fair, Bakewell, Derbyshire
8 September RAFA Guernsey Air Display, Guernsey
8 September Jersey International Air Display, Jersey
10 September Southport Air Show, Southport, Merseyside
11 September Great North Run, Newcastle
11 September The Duxford Air Show: Meet The Fighters, Duxford, Cambridgeshire
Must also rule out the Queens birthday flypast as well?,if flying over built up areas/roads etc is now deemed too dangerous!!
In 2016, no air show will go ahead without being subject to an enhanced risk assessment,
Following the accident at Shoreham, we introduced three additional risk
assessment criteria for all future air displays. These were the proximity of
major roads, congested areas and other nearby infrastructure, such as
railway lines. This meant that display organisers were expected to identify
within their risk assessments how they proposed to manage and mitigate
any risks arising from these sources. This resulted in a number of changes
being made to air displays held after the Shoreham Airshow.
2.8 We propose to retain and formalise these additional risk criteria, and
require event organisers and FDDs to submit their risk assessments to the
CAA. We are developing a risk assessment template that will assist event
organisers and FDDs. This will be published no later than the end of
February 2016.
2.9 Our publication Flying Displays and Special Events: a guide to safety and
administrative arrangements also details what liaison the event organiser
and FDD are expected to have with the relevant local authority or
authorities for the location of their air show, the police and the emergency
services, including the Maritime and Coastguard Agency and Royal
National Lifeboat Institution for offshore display sites.
Action 1: The CAA will specify, for all future air displays the risk
assessment criteria that it requires event organisers and Flying Display
Directors must use in planning and preparing for air displays of all sizes
assessment criteria for all future air displays. These were the proximity of
major roads, congested areas and other nearby infrastructure, such as
railway lines. This meant that display organisers were expected to identify
within their risk assessments how they proposed to manage and mitigate
any risks arising from these sources. This resulted in a number of changes
being made to air displays held after the Shoreham Airshow.
2.8 We propose to retain and formalise these additional risk criteria, and
require event organisers and FDDs to submit their risk assessments to the
CAA. We are developing a risk assessment template that will assist event
organisers and FDDs. This will be published no later than the end of
February 2016.
2.9 Our publication Flying Displays and Special Events: a guide to safety and
administrative arrangements also details what liaison the event organiser
and FDD are expected to have with the relevant local authority or
authorities for the location of their air show, the police and the emergency
services, including the Maritime and Coastguard Agency and Royal
National Lifeboat Institution for offshore display sites.
Action 1: The CAA will specify, for all future air displays the risk
assessment criteria that it requires event organisers and Flying Display
Directors must use in planning and preparing for air displays of all sizes
Widger its not all rumour.
At one of the Airshows post Shoreham, the CAA person on site, changed the display parameters of participants mid display according to the amount of traffic on the M11!!
At one of the Airshows post Shoreham, the CAA person on site, changed the display parameters of participants mid display according to the amount of traffic on the M11!!
Last edited by cessnapete; 29th Feb 2016 at 14:25.