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Any trials done lately ?
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Has there been any trials done with Merlin in the last 24 months ?
Laughingly been reading Arrse forum and there's some regular Contributor / fountain of all knowledge to all aerospace defence topics and other stuff whose supposedly an scope jockey from the Fighter Control branch claims that Merlin AAr trials already been completed ? This is in the thread about the UK and the V22 and how it be useful for the CHF. He's state the obvious about lack of cash in the inventory and there's more pressing needs of the realm. He also says why would we need v-22 when the Mk4 hs capability for AAr due to trials already completed with the Merlins prior to transfer to CHF!
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Has there been any trials done with Merlin in the last 24 months ?
Laughingly been reading Arrse forum and there's some regular Contributor / fountain of all knowledge to all aerospace defence topics and other stuff whose supposedly an scope jockey from the Fighter Control branch claims that Merlin AAr trials already been completed ? This is in the thread about the UK and the V22 and how it be useful for the CHF. He's state the obvious about lack of cash in the inventory and there's more pressing needs of the realm. He also says why would we need v-22 when the Mk4 hs capability for AAr due to trials already completed with the Merlins prior to transfer to CHF!
Cheers
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10 second search using Google..... almost 10 years ago...
Lockheed, Agusta demo Merlin air-to-air fueling | News: Aviation International News
Lockheed, Agusta demo Merlin air-to-air fueling | News: Aviation International News
Chopper,
There are a lot of reasons why you'd like a V-22 over a Merlin Mk4. Speed, range, height and payload all spring immediately to mind (and have a look at the improved range/payload specs for the CMV-22B) .....The Merlin has two main advantages over the V-22. It is expensive, but not quite as expensive as the V-22, and it's nailed together in Yeovil....
There are a lot of reasons why you'd like a V-22 over a Merlin Mk4. Speed, range, height and payload all spring immediately to mind (and have a look at the improved range/payload specs for the CMV-22B) .....The Merlin has two main advantages over the V-22. It is expensive, but not quite as expensive as the V-22, and it's nailed together in Yeovil....
The poster in question on Arrse is PPrune's own Magic Mushroom (not seen lately around here). He'd have been, if memory serves, a tad distracted by incoming mortar fire at the time of the trials, so his memory of them (as he has accepted) was incorrect - because it was a green airframe, he'd assumed it was an RAF Merlin with an Italian KC-130.
I'd respectfully suggest that you've misinterpreted his argument, Chopper - the fount of knowledge problem is the (former?) Merchant Navy (or possibly RFA) contributor who comments on all matters armoured, aviating and maritime. MM's point is that V-22 isn't endorsed, and given that the CHF's cab (if not the cabs themselves) have undertaken AAR trials, and given that studies were done into this in terms of Merlin for JPR - I don't know how far they got, but I was asked for (very, very minor) input, so someone was definitely thinking about it - wouldn't that be a more obvious first step than going out and attempting to buy V-22s for an AAR-capable capability?
I'd respectfully suggest that you've misinterpreted his argument, Chopper - the fount of knowledge problem is the (former?) Merchant Navy (or possibly RFA) contributor who comments on all matters armoured, aviating and maritime. MM's point is that V-22 isn't endorsed, and given that the CHF's cab (if not the cabs themselves) have undertaken AAR trials, and given that studies were done into this in terms of Merlin for JPR - I don't know how far they got, but I was asked for (very, very minor) input, so someone was definitely thinking about it - wouldn't that be a more obvious first step than going out and attempting to buy V-22s for an AAR-capable capability?
The poster in question on Arrse is PPrune's own Magic Mushroom (not seen lately around here). He'd have been, if memory serves, a tad distracted by incoming mortar fire at the time of the trials, so his memory of them (as he has accepted) was incorrect - because it was a green airframe, he'd assumed it was an RAF Merlin with an Italian KC-130.
I'd respectfully suggest that you've misinterpreted his argument, Chopper - the fount of knowledge problem is the (former?) Merchant Navy (or possibly RFA) contributor who comments on all matters armoured, aviating and maritime. MM's point is that V-22 isn't endorsed, and given that the CHF's cab (if not the cabs themselves) have undertaken AAR trials, and given that studies were done into this in terms of Merlin for JPR - I don't know how far they got, but I was asked for (very, very minor) input, so someone was definitely thinking about it - wouldn't that be a more obvious first step than going out and attempting to buy V-22s for an AAR-capable capability?
I'd respectfully suggest that you've misinterpreted his argument, Chopper - the fount of knowledge problem is the (former?) Merchant Navy (or possibly RFA) contributor who comments on all matters armoured, aviating and maritime. MM's point is that V-22 isn't endorsed, and given that the CHF's cab (if not the cabs themselves) have undertaken AAR trials, and given that studies were done into this in terms of Merlin for JPR - I don't know how far they got, but I was asked for (very, very minor) input, so someone was definitely thinking about it - wouldn't that be a more obvious first step than going out and attempting to buy V-22s for an AAR-capable capability?
You have just triggered my memory of the time - around 21 years ago did we not try to pitch the 101 to the USMC as a Phrog replacement? I did see an artists conception of a grey 101 in their colors flying over an LPH in AirForces Monthly.
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The poster in question on Arrse is PPrune's own Magic Mushroom (not seen lately around here). He'd have been, if memory serves, a tad distracted by incoming mortar fire at the time of the trials, so his memory of them (as he has accepted) was incorrect - because it was a green airframe, he'd assumed it was an RAF Merlin with an Italian KC-130.
I'd respectfully suggest that you've misinterpreted his argument, Chopper - the fount of knowledge problem is the (former?) Merchant Navy (or possibly RFA) contributor who comments on all matters armoured, aviating and maritime. MM's point is that V-22 isn't endorsed, and given that the CHF's cab (if not the cabs themselves) have undertaken AAR trials, and given that studies were done into this in terms of Merlin for JPR - I don't know how far they got, but I was asked for (very, very minor) input, so someone was definitely thinking about it - wouldn't that be a more obvious first step than going out and attempting to buy V-22s for an AAR-capable capability?
I'd respectfully suggest that you've misinterpreted his argument, Chopper - the fount of knowledge problem is the (former?) Merchant Navy (or possibly RFA) contributor who comments on all matters armoured, aviating and maritime. MM's point is that V-22 isn't endorsed, and given that the CHF's cab (if not the cabs themselves) have undertaken AAR trials, and given that studies were done into this in terms of Merlin for JPR - I don't know how far they got, but I was asked for (very, very minor) input, so someone was definitely thinking about it - wouldn't that be a more obvious first step than going out and attempting to buy V-22s for an AAR-capable capability?
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The Italian CSAR variant has a full day/night clearance behind the KC130J, I believe done with a joint LH and AMI team, so it cant be too difficult fro LH to extrapolate to a UK variant, especially as the first trials were done with QQ involvement
Just need to get some tankers now...
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Just need to get some tankers now...
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