Paris Attacked!
Someone posted on Facebook earlier:
"I'm waiting for the first politician to say that Enoch Powell was right; unfortunately, I don't think I'll live that long".
'nuff said!
"I'm waiting for the first politician to say that Enoch Powell was right; unfortunately, I don't think I'll live that long".
'nuff said!
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We are going to reduce Raqqa to a pile of rubble anyway ! We either do it slowly and let them regroup and reform as is happening or we do it quickly and take away the ability for them to adapt to the attack.
As we speak they are planning the next 'Paris' -the next airliner -I think people are in a dream if they think they are going to go away by tiny pin prick attacks.
As for morals - let the combatants wear a uniform and fight according to rules or understand that everyone in Raqqa including children is a potential suicide bomber - every doctor that left these shores is patching up ISIS fighters -we really need to grasp that we are never going to be on the same page with morals .
As we speak they are planning the next 'Paris' -the next airliner -I think people are in a dream if they think they are going to go away by tiny pin prick attacks.
As for morals - let the combatants wear a uniform and fight according to rules or understand that everyone in Raqqa including children is a potential suicide bomber - every doctor that left these shores is patching up ISIS fighters -we really need to grasp that we are never going to be on the same page with morals .
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Will that appease them?
For a socialist left-leaning rag this isn't a bad burst:
http://www.theage.com.au/comment/par...15-gkzjfp.html
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I repeat below a Post I put in on 9th September this year. Comment would be superfluous:
Thread: Military Aviation, Paris Attacked. Page 5/#84
Turning the Other Cheek ?
Re: Bleeding Hearts for an ex-ISIL (Good Riddance, say I !)
Seems that today's RAF is not immune from this egregious notion. My eye was caught by this link (copied from another of my Posts, about January on another Thread: it was an extract from the D.Tel. 9.1.15). "Combat Report" (Bold Text mine):
"The pair have said that one of their proudest moments to date involved helping to foil a rocket" (RPG ?) "attack on their base at Kandahar airfield in 2010. There was a high threat and the base was expecting an imminent attack after some men were spotted in a nearby ditch, setting up to fire a rocket at their accommodation block. They took the aircraft out to 15 miles from their position in the ditch and came down to low level, approaching at more than 500mph and as close to the Operational Low Flying minimum of 100 feet as possible, passing directly over them before heading into a steep climb. The rocket crew immediately scarpered in a truck and the pair felt they had made a tangible difference to protect their colleagues.
The intention is to always use the minimum force required to provide the effect needed by the guys on the ground".
Am I missing something here ? This was in 2010, and there was a war going on in Afghanistan (as we have 453 good reasons to remember). This is the enemy, and he is making ready to kill you (or some of your comrades) if he can. You are airborne in one of the RAF's most powerful weapons. You have a 27mm cannon.
You buzz him off (as I used to shift a flock of goats off my strip before landing). So that he can come back later and try again ? (Better luck next time ?)
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Reading the comments on here remind me of my favourite Red Dwarf episode where they debate what to do about a monster on their ship - the pacifist is absolutely brilliant!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WgUktfdDy4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WgUktfdDy4
For those who don't remember Enoch Powell's prescient speech that he made in April '68 (and the furore it made) the full text of it is here.
The opening sentence is worth quoting:
It's worth bearing in mind that he made this speech prior to the UK joining the EEC (as was).
The opening sentence is worth quoting:
The supreme function of statesmanship is to provide against preventable evils.
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I see our friend who is not in to appeasement but negotiations has not the foggiest idea how to get the terrorists to the negotiations table.
One US President had the right idea, if you've got them by the balls, their hearts and minds will follow.
Regardless of daesh fighting like guerrillas or irregular militia there is one principle of warfare they cannot avoid - Administration.
They need lines of communication to pass people in and out. They need weapons; they need ammunition; they need food and water. Supplies siezed from Assad forces and Iraq are not inexhaustible. Resupply has to come from another State. The traditional suppliers, Russia and Iran are on the other side.
A few weeks ago i saw a territory map with LOC, quite narrow LOC stretching to Syria's borders. That I submit it their weak point. Consider the onion concept again. Peel the layers from outside to centre or attempt a coup de main. These both risk heavy casualties which is one of the Western countries weak points - public opinion.
How about a different approach: interdiction? Drop a force across the LOC and fight away from the centre. Find the elephant in the room. Let daesh run out of supplies, draw them out, fix them and destroy them.
One US President had the right idea, if you've got them by the balls, their hearts and minds will follow.
Regardless of daesh fighting like guerrillas or irregular militia there is one principle of warfare they cannot avoid - Administration.
They need lines of communication to pass people in and out. They need weapons; they need ammunition; they need food and water. Supplies siezed from Assad forces and Iraq are not inexhaustible. Resupply has to come from another State. The traditional suppliers, Russia and Iran are on the other side.
A few weeks ago i saw a territory map with LOC, quite narrow LOC stretching to Syria's borders. That I submit it their weak point. Consider the onion concept again. Peel the layers from outside to centre or attempt a coup de main. These both risk heavy casualties which is one of the Western countries weak points - public opinion.
How about a different approach: interdiction? Drop a force across the LOC and fight away from the centre. Find the elephant in the room. Let daesh run out of supplies, draw them out, fix them and destroy them.
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Same theme as the rabid dog. The DWB and WHO didn't try to negotiate with Ebola viruses - they didn't arrest them or give them a fair trial or try to negotiate nor attempt any rehabilitation nor appeasement. They simply exterminated the deadly menace without mercy.
What is needed both militarily and as a civilian mindset is a concerted effort by Europe Russia Oz and the US to eradicate Daesh leaders and blast away at the ranks (whether refilled with fresh recruits or not) until there are no more ranks to blast away at. A white flag from an outgunned Daesh squad should be regarded as an upcoming target practice session. No POW Conventions, no bull**** EU Courts, no "UN rights", no nothing. It'll take a while - but your average dumb uneducated radical loonies will eventually cotton on that joining Daesh or Al Craeppa will lead to 100% certain death in a very very short time.
I admit though the biggest weakness in the West is these miserable bleeding heart Human Rights groups who unfortunately have considerable political power. These groups, like pacifists, are eventually silenced once blood is spilled on their own soil, but thousands of innocents have to be slaughtered first before they're finally shut the f****d up.
Also...I object to these murdering Daesh thugs being called "fighters" - they are gutless yellow-bellied subhuman maniacs utilising a weapon of war called religion to achieve obvious political aims.
Nuff said on my part.
What is needed both militarily and as a civilian mindset is a concerted effort by Europe Russia Oz and the US to eradicate Daesh leaders and blast away at the ranks (whether refilled with fresh recruits or not) until there are no more ranks to blast away at. A white flag from an outgunned Daesh squad should be regarded as an upcoming target practice session. No POW Conventions, no bull**** EU Courts, no "UN rights", no nothing. It'll take a while - but your average dumb uneducated radical loonies will eventually cotton on that joining Daesh or Al Craeppa will lead to 100% certain death in a very very short time.
I admit though the biggest weakness in the West is these miserable bleeding heart Human Rights groups who unfortunately have considerable political power. These groups, like pacifists, are eventually silenced once blood is spilled on their own soil, but thousands of innocents have to be slaughtered first before they're finally shut the f****d up.
Also...I object to these murdering Daesh thugs being called "fighters" - they are gutless yellow-bellied subhuman maniacs utilising a weapon of war called religion to achieve obvious political aims.
Nuff said on my part.
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Attempting to reason with them is taken as surrender. Agreed, protocol should be thrown out of the window and replaced with the bullet, until they are all dead and with Allah.
Big problem with that......their leaders are almost certainly clerics and they will stay in the background.
Big problem with that......their leaders are almost certainly clerics and they will stay in the background.
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If the European political "leaders" ..
[yes I don’t know who they really are either, Camermong et al, are nothing but powerless figureheads of the Great Scheme]
..actually want to stop these attacks DEAD in their tracks then the answer is to make European citizens responsible for their own safety and security and EQUIP THEM THUS.
But that wont happen as that would mean empowering the citizens and that means those European leaders would absolve their control over said populace.
[yes I don’t know who they really are either, Camermong et al, are nothing but powerless figureheads of the Great Scheme]
..actually want to stop these attacks DEAD in their tracks then the answer is to make European citizens responsible for their own safety and security and EQUIP THEM THUS.
But that wont happen as that would mean empowering the citizens and that means those European leaders would absolve their control over said populace.
There are postcodes in West Yorkshire where the police don't go, sharia law is carried out, women are second class citizens and girls are forced into marriage. The culture and values of Great Britain simply do not exist and although most of the people living there are good people, the zealots thrive. I fear things are going to get a whole lot worse with no solutions on the horizon, Pandora's box is well and truly opened.
A Greek colleague of mine who does a lot of work in the Middle East was chatting on Wednesday and musing on the fact that we think nothing of shipping ten thousand people a day to/from Sharm el Sheikh for their hols, that you can get anywhere in the world in 48 hours and with modern comms & media the whole world can listen to Western music, see western fashion, watch western TV & movies...
and then we're really surprised/astounded/appalled when they all turn up on the doorstep or when their problems become ours
and then we're really surprised/astounded/appalled when they all turn up on the doorstep or when their problems become ours
Pontius Navigator has a better take on this than most:
This is asymmetric warfare on a regional scale. Pretty clearly there is State ssponsorship but no one seems to want to name names.
They need lines of communication to pass people in and out. They need weapons; they need ammunition; they need food and water. Supplies siezed from Assad forces and Iraq are not inexhaustible. Resupply has to come from another State. The traditional suppliers, Russia and Iran are on the other side.
They need lines of communication to pass people in and out. They need weapons; they need ammunition; they need food and water. Supplies siezed from Assad forces and Iraq are not inexhaustible. Resupply has to come from another State. The traditional suppliers, Russia and Iran are on the other side.
As Pontius points out, this is war of a kind a great many people really don't understand.
We also need a little more honesty from our political leaders re our relationship with the Saudis. They buy our London real estate (& some of our defence equipment), tool around Knightsbridge in fast cars, and all the while fund Daesh (allegedly).
One of the main ways of bringing these heathens to heel will be by strangling their funding. Clearly their hold over some oil supplies is a factor here, but the Saudi aspect needs addressing.
One of the main ways of bringing these heathens to heel will be by strangling their funding. Clearly their hold over some oil supplies is a factor here, but the Saudi aspect needs addressing.
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For a socialist left-leaning rag this isn't a bad burst:
http://www.theage.com.au/comment/par...15-gkzjfp.html
http://www.theage.com.au/comment/par...15-gkzjfp.html
1) It denies any link between Islam and the activities of the extremists. Wrong. At the root of this 40-year problem is that both the peaceful majority and the extremist minority think that they are acting in accordance with "the true Islam".
2) It advocates that English speakers cease using the names "ISIS", "ISIL" or "IS" and instead use the name "Daesh" because it is neither "Islamic" nor a "State". This is total bunkum - "Daesh" is simply the anglicised form of the abbreviation in Arabic of "Islamic State of Iraq and al-Shaam". It is true that the term is disrespectful in Arabic, mainly because it sounds something like a term of abuse. See here for more. But this applies only in Arabic. To my mind, those who advocate the use of "Daesh" among English-speakers do so principally because they want to break the connection in our minds between Islam and the extremists - presumably because they think we are bigoted fools who will go on Islamophobic rampages unless shielded from the truth, and because we are unlikely to know that "Daesh" and "ISIS" are word-for-word the same.
Awareness of both of these points is important because the self-censoring aspect of Western debate is a real issue. We need to find a long-term solution to the problem of Islamist extremism, which has been with us in its modern form since the 1970s. We can apply temporary solutions by force or internal security measures, but the only one that will stick is a definitive, pan-sectarian, scholarly delegitimisation of the ideology espoused by ISIL and other salafi jihadist groups. Such a solution can ONLY be delivered by Muslims; anything delivered from outside the religion will not have the required credibility. Diverting our attention from this fact, whether through the devices used in the liberal media or by movements such as #NotInMyName, stops us from properly analysing the problem. Without taking steps to encourage the resolution of the ideological battle, we are condemned to endless repetition of costly and futile military interventions.
Thanks to our cultural heritage, we can intuitively identify extremism that claims to represent Christianity, and ostracise its members without regard to political correctness. It is totally unthinkable, for example, that the BBC would allow a Ku Klux Klan sympathiser to espouse political views on Newsnight or similar (at least, without being overtly labelled and challenged by all other panellists and the presenter). But we do not have sufficient societal knowledge of Islam to do the same with its extremists. For years, Muslim leaders have complained over the tolerance we extend to extremist clerics in "Londonistan", and just last week the BBC provided links to CAGE from its story on the killing of 'Jihadi John'. After Paris, we need to have a debate over this tolerance. Should we ban the Muslim Brotherhood, as some Gulf leaders have recommended? Should we exercise more control over extremist activity on the internet? Do we get enough economic benefit from our relationship with the Saudis to compensate for the moral effects and physical consequences of the bile spewing from clerics tolerated by the royal family as a condition of its power?
Denying any link between Islam and the actions of extremists stops this vital debate before it has even begun. Perniciously, warnings like "talking of Islam in this way risks provoking the far right and must be avoided" are just plain wrong - if mainstream politicians don't start to grapple with these issues in public, the far right will begin to gain support from people who see their concerns being ignored. Witness the resurgence of the National Front in France. Certainly, don't tar all Muslims with the same brush, and it is a debate in which careful wording is vital - but don't avoid the issue. Doing so is counterproductive on many levels.
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A report today says British families should befriend an immigrant family and mentor them. What no one has said is that only Muslim British are able to befriend immigrants.
Back in the 70s Mrs PN befriended a Glaswegian whose children went to the same school as mine. She used to accompany her while she practised driving.
Her Pakistani husband did not approve. She could not go in to our house as we had dogs. She could never meet me. In short, white British cannot befriend Middle Eastern families.
OTOH we hosted a female Uganda Muslim whose husband was also nothing who was back in Uganda. Apart from colour she was fully British and was happy eating bacon and pork.
Similarly at Nav School we had two Sudanese. By some alchemy they could change pork to beef and de-alcholise beer. In Tehran Iranians used to drink beer, only spirits was deemed to be alcohol.
Now look where we are.
Back in the 70s Mrs PN befriended a Glaswegian whose children went to the same school as mine. She used to accompany her while she practised driving.
Her Pakistani husband did not approve. She could not go in to our house as we had dogs. She could never meet me. In short, white British cannot befriend Middle Eastern families.
OTOH we hosted a female Uganda Muslim whose husband was also nothing who was back in Uganda. Apart from colour she was fully British and was happy eating bacon and pork.
Similarly at Nav School we had two Sudanese. By some alchemy they could change pork to beef and de-alcholise beer. In Tehran Iranians used to drink beer, only spirits was deemed to be alcohol.
Now look where we are.
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There are postcodes in West Yorkshire where the police don't go, sharia law is carried out, women are second class citizens and girls are forced into marriage. The culture and values of Great Britain simply do not exist and although most of the people living there are good people, the zealots thrive. I fear things are going to get a whole lot worse with no solutions on the horizon, Pandora's box is well and truly opened.
spot on dctyke........I have FIRST HAND experience of the powder keg here in west yorks......certain towns here are "lost" and the politicians and police know it. Certain sections of the community have absolutely no intention of assimilating, or even "tolerating" our western values! The bleeding heart liberals have had their say......the experiment in social engineering didn't work.....accept it! If anyone is in need of further clarity, pm me and I'll take you back to the city of my birth......if you don't mind, we'll use your car!!!! Solution, hmmmmm....either pull up the draw bridge or get heavy.......really heavy! Apeasement doesn't work!!!!
I'm off to don my tin hat now!
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