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Tony Blair's Blood sacrifice...
as told by Bird and Fortune...
Meanwhile:
Washington: Donald Trump thinks the Middle East would be safer if former dictators Saddam Hussein and Muammar Gaddafi were still in power in Iraq and Libya respectively. He also thinks Syria might even be safer with Bashar al-Assad in power.
Meanwhile:
Washington: Donald Trump thinks the Middle East would be safer if former dictators Saddam Hussein and Muammar Gaddafi were still in power in Iraq and Libya respectively. He also thinks Syria might even be safer with Bashar al-Assad in power.
HERRICK
The USofA was hurting, as was most of the West, from 9/11. The Govt had to do something and try and track down the AQ people responsible. Britain lost 67 of its people out of ~3,000, so for us it was not such a big deal; but for our chosen lead in the financial sector it was pretty bad. It also affected the aviation sector that we had a big stake in plus also the insurance claims for this attack were the biggest in history. So something had to be done about Afghanistan (and the western half of Pakistan that borders it) and as others have said on here, our involvement was invited later. However, Ahmed Shah Massoud had asked the European Parliament for help in Afghanistan 6 months earlier from 9/11 stating that " the Taliban and al-Qaeda had introduced 'a very wrong perception of Islam' and that without the support of Pakistan and Osama bin Laden, the Taliban would not be able to sustain their military campaign for another year. Massoud warned that his intelligence had gathered information about an imminent, large-scale attack on U.S. soil". Unfortunately, this plea for help by Massoud was ignored and the rest, as they say is history. But if 9/11 hadn't happened would Afghanistan enjoyed such unified support Internationally? However, if Op HERRICK and the Afghan ops hadn't happened then I am convinced that the world would have been a worse place than it currently is. Op HERRICK (and TELIC) are not the sole reason for the rise of ISIS. Just like I said before, inaction in Syria hasn't worked out too well either!
The USofA was hurting, as was most of the West, from 9/11. The Govt had to do something and try and track down the AQ people responsible. Britain lost 67 of its people out of ~3,000, so for us it was not such a big deal; but for our chosen lead in the financial sector it was pretty bad. It also affected the aviation sector that we had a big stake in plus also the insurance claims for this attack were the biggest in history. So something had to be done about Afghanistan (and the western half of Pakistan that borders it) and as others have said on here, our involvement was invited later. However, Ahmed Shah Massoud had asked the European Parliament for help in Afghanistan 6 months earlier from 9/11 stating that " the Taliban and al-Qaeda had introduced 'a very wrong perception of Islam' and that without the support of Pakistan and Osama bin Laden, the Taliban would not be able to sustain their military campaign for another year. Massoud warned that his intelligence had gathered information about an imminent, large-scale attack on U.S. soil". Unfortunately, this plea for help by Massoud was ignored and the rest, as they say is history. But if 9/11 hadn't happened would Afghanistan enjoyed such unified support Internationally? However, if Op HERRICK and the Afghan ops hadn't happened then I am convinced that the world would have been a worse place than it currently is. Op HERRICK (and TELIC) are not the sole reason for the rise of ISIS. Just like I said before, inaction in Syria hasn't worked out too well either!
Iraq - different story.
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I hate Bliar and his awful wife as much as anyone but, " current pig shagger " - if that is a reference to Cameron then I think you need to go to Specsavers. Politics aside, his wife is without doubt the best looking wife of a PM this country has ever had! I wouldn't kick her out of bed - of course as an ex-nav only the best will do!!
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Just be nice to see him stand trial for sending UK forces out there for a lie. I lost an uncle, he died many years later from his injuries sustained in Iraq. Real people were affected, his teenage son will grow up without a Dad as will many other kids.
I'm not sure if you've ever signed up to fight for your country, when i did, it wasn't to fight bogus wars for the US&A. What blair has done is the lowest of the low, it's beyond rape and murder, he needs to stand trial with all the evidence available.
All that and the hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis that have died as a result also, let's not forget them either.
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The Final Insult
Of course when the interminable, toothless, Chilcott whitewash (sorry, Inquiry) is published in its fully redacted state, Teflon Tone will not only be exonerated but exalted as a regime changer. This will lead to him being ennobled so that he can sit along with his ex defence ministers, every one unfit for purpose ,(Lord Reid), in the House of Lords and continue to wreck this country. Think I'll retire to the Dordogne then.
That Tory poster featuring a madman's eyes was rather perceptive. Mad or wicked.
The whole sorry Middle East domino sequence can be traced back to GW II, and there is no happy ending in sight for anyone.
The whole sorry Middle East domino sequence can be traced back to GW II, and there is no happy ending in sight for anyone.
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The whole ****ty plot, or at least Europes involvement in it, could be said to have started with Wilhem IIs unholy alliance with the Muslims in around 1885.
It's not that widely known, but the Germans alliance with the Muslims, with the aim of starting a holy war that would bring Great Britain to its knees, had repercussions that are very much with us to this very day.
Queen Victoria should have put her grandson over her knee and then talked some sense into him. The world would be a very much more peaceful place if she had.
It's not that widely known, but the Germans alliance with the Muslims, with the aim of starting a holy war that would bring Great Britain to its knees, had repercussions that are very much with us to this very day.
Queen Victoria should have put her grandson over her knee and then talked some sense into him. The world would be a very much more peaceful place if she had.
Actually, MGD, I think you'll find the Umayyad caliphs kicked things off when they expanded their empire through then-Christian North Africa soon after Mohammad's death, crossed into the Iberian peninsula in 711 and fought their way up to Poitiers before being halted by Charles Martel. The Crusades were a response to that rapid expansion, by 1095 a second front of which posed a direct threat to the Christian heartland of antiquity (Byzantium, i.e. modern-day Turkey).
The Truth about the Crusades | Raymond Ibrahim
Unfortunately the modern western fashions for self-flagellation, virtue-signalling and "white man's guilt" cause too many of us to swallow revisionism of the sort that seeks to lay all blame for the woes of the Muslim world at our feet.
The Truth about the Crusades | Raymond Ibrahim
That is what gave birth to the Crusades. They were not the brainchild of an ambitious pope or rapacious knights but a response to more than four centuries of conquests in which Muslims had already captured two-thirds of the old Christian world. At some point, Christianity as a faith and a culture had to defend itself or be subsumed by Islam. The Crusades were that defense.
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"Washington: Donald Trump thinks the Middle East would be safer if former dictators Saddam Hussein and Muammar Gaddafi were still in power in Iraq and Libya respectively. He also thinks Syria might even be safer with Bashar al-Assad in power."
And, of course, the world would be safer if Mr Trump was in power. Yeah, right.
And, of course, the world would be safer if Mr Trump was in power. Yeah, right.
I haven't noticed many Americans on this thread so I'll jump in. There isn't much that I agree with Trump on, but I do agree that the world would probably be better off with Saddam still around. He was no threat to us and helped keep Iran occupied. He killed a lot of his own people but probably a lot fewer than we did.
There are a lot of Americans who think Bush and Cheney should be prosecuted for war crimes. They won't be because we have a tradition of forgiving our presidents their sins. The current republican race for the candidate spot is interesting because Jeb Bush keeps saying his brother kept us safe, and Trump is calling him on it. I think Trump would be a horrible president, but he is probably the best of a bad lot. Hillary will most likely trounce who ever runs against her anyway.
There are a lot of Americans who think Bush and Cheney should be prosecuted for war crimes. They won't be because we have a tradition of forgiving our presidents their sins. The current republican race for the candidate spot is interesting because Jeb Bush keeps saying his brother kept us safe, and Trump is calling him on it. I think Trump would be a horrible president, but he is probably the best of a bad lot. Hillary will most likely trounce who ever runs against her anyway.
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No doubt many, many others have expressed the same or similar sentiments to our cousins Stateside, but I'll add to the chorus anyway.
If either Trump or Rodham-Clinton is really the best that the great democracy of the United States can offer, the the rest of the world is going to be in a very, very bad place.
If either Trump or Rodham-Clinton is really the best that the great democracy of the United States can offer, the the rest of the world is going to be in a very, very bad place.
