Russia sends four SU27s to Syria
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Russian propaganda repeatedly emphasises their use of smart weapons.
All the videos and photographs coming out of Syria show the exact opposite.
Also Russian videos have been geolocated and they are USUALLY not where Russia says that they are.
https://bellingcat.checkdesk.org/en/story/736
All the videos and photographs coming out of Syria show the exact opposite.
Also Russian videos have been geolocated and they are USUALLY not where Russia says that they are.
https://bellingcat.checkdesk.org/en/story/736
You need some better sources mate.
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Comment on Fox News an hour ago ... 17 of 19 RU strikes have been on anti-Assad rebels, and only 2 on ISIL.
Make of that what you will.
Make of that what you will.
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And representatives of the 41 rebel factions said the Russian actions would unite them . . .
Now supposing Assad were deposed, all would be sweetness and light, all Assad supporters would be able to relax under the 41 factions that would live happily ever after, just like in Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen etc
Now supposing Assad were deposed, all would be sweetness and light, all Assad supporters would be able to relax under the 41 factions that would live happily ever after, just like in Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen etc
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Wokka, looking at the fins it is probably tube launched, therefore ground based. Probably 9M55 or 9M528 rockets from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BM-30_Smerch MLRSki
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Russia says it has launched rocket strikes on Islamic State targets in Syria from its warships in the Caspian Sea - about 1,500km (930 miles) away.
Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu said four warships fired 26 sea-based cruise missiles on 11 targets, destroying them.
Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu said four warships fired 26 sea-based cruise missiles on 11 targets, destroying them.
At least the TV weather forecast looks good for them......
http://english.alarabiya.net/en/medi...-in-Syria.html
http://english.alarabiya.net/en/medi...-in-Syria.html
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The Assad regime has lost a lot of armour today to ATGMs.
11 videos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGY9...JU8LbD-Ea2jVHZ
Allegedly 17 tanks blown up trying to attach Hama.
11 videos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGY9...JU8LbD-Ea2jVHZ
Allegedly 17 tanks blown up trying to attach Hama.
The last few seconds of this are interesting 
The Assad regime has lost a lot of armour today to ATGMs.
11 videos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGY9...JU8LbD-Ea2jVHZ
Allegedly 17 tanks blown up trying to attach Hama.
11 videos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGY9...JU8LbD-Ea2jVHZ
Allegedly 17 tanks blown up trying to attach Hama.
"Other footage from Hama showed rebels from the Free Syrian Army firing anti-tank missiles and hitting two army tanks.
Some interesting points raised in this Reuters article, not sure how close to the mark they are.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/...0S10BI20151007
The Iranian-backed Hezbollah militia took part in the fighting, a regional
source said.
source said.
The missiles would have passed over Iran and Iraq to reach their targets,
covering what Shoigu described as a distance of almost 1,500 km (900 miles), the
latest display of Russian military power at a time when relations with the West
are at a post-Cold War low over Ukraine.
covering what Shoigu described as a distance of almost 1,500 km (900 miles), the
latest display of Russian military power at a time when relations with the West
are at a post-Cold War low over Ukraine.
But in Iraq, the head of parliament's defense and security committee said Baghdad may request Russian air strikes against Islamic State on its soil soon and wants Moscow to have a bigger role than Washington in fighting the group.
Iraq's government and powerful Iranian-backed Shi'ite militias question the United States' resolve in fighting Islamic State militants, who control a third of the country, saying U.S.-led coalition air strikes are ineffective.
“We might be forced to ask Russia to launch air strikes in Iraq soon ... and that depends on their success in Syria," Hakim al-Zamili told Reuters.
“We might be forced to ask Russia to launch air strikes in Iraq soon ... and that depends on their success in Syria," Hakim al-Zamili told Reuters.
The response may take a few days, but it will be interesting to see what rhetoric erupts out of Washington, having been called out.
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Are the Russians not embedded in Iran and within their CAOC system??
Will Washington do anything except spout hot air and add more 'red lines'?
Are the Russians not embedded in Iran and within their CAOC system??
Will Washington do anything except spout hot air and add more 'red lines'?
Will Washington do anything except spout hot air and add more 'red lines'?
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Is not Obama not working on his legacy and after the disaster in Benghazi is he willing to have his fingers burnt again. Where is Hilary Clinton on this as she attempts to become the next president and her reported acts and omissions over the same incident.
Putin is playing a dangerous game but one he may ultimately win in particular if western so called leaders do not get their act together.
Is not Obama not working on his legacy and after the disaster in Benghazi is he willing to have his fingers burnt again. Where is Hilary Clinton on this as she attempts to become the next president and her reported acts and omissions over the same incident.
Putin is playing a dangerous game but one he may ultimately win in particular if western so called leaders do not get their act together.
As to President Obama ... I sometimes wonder at the thought process, and rhetoric crafting process, he and his inner circle use. Some of what comes out of his lips makes me scratch my head.
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Putin is using cruise missiles against dispersed, difficult to identify, low value targets in asymmetrical warfare.
For ground troops he is relying on the Syrian army with Hezbollah support, who have been soundly beaten by the rebels many times before.
He is not in a good place and this is costing him a lot.
Also it is inevitable that he will lose assets.
His strategy is to take out the rebels and leave ISIS alone. After which the world is left with a binary choice, Assad or ISIS.
Putin is very cocky, deliberately sending combat aircraft into Turkish airspace, locking radars on Turkish military aircraft and intercepting USA drones. This is a very dangerous game and the potential for mistakes is high.
Cameron is very misguided blaming the migrant "swarm" on ISIS. The refugee problem was caused by Assad barrel bombs. Now Cameron wants to send our combat aircraft into Syria. He is stark raving mad. And he hasn't learned from the huge mess he made in Libya.
For ground troops he is relying on the Syrian army with Hezbollah support, who have been soundly beaten by the rebels many times before.
He is not in a good place and this is costing him a lot.
Also it is inevitable that he will lose assets.
His strategy is to take out the rebels and leave ISIS alone. After which the world is left with a binary choice, Assad or ISIS.
Putin is very cocky, deliberately sending combat aircraft into Turkish airspace, locking radars on Turkish military aircraft and intercepting USA drones. This is a very dangerous game and the potential for mistakes is high.
Cameron is very misguided blaming the migrant "swarm" on ISIS. The refugee problem was caused by Assad barrel bombs. Now Cameron wants to send our combat aircraft into Syria. He is stark raving mad. And he hasn't learned from the huge mess he made in Libya.
Lonewolf 50:
Does not what comes from politicians mouths make normal human beings scratch their heads 99% of the time.
Up to now people like Obama and Cameron have dealt with politicians they can at least come from the same political viewpoint, Putin is something totally different.
Does not what comes from politicians mouths make normal human beings scratch their heads 99% of the time.
Up to now people like Obama and Cameron have dealt with politicians they can at least come from the same political viewpoint, Putin is something totally different.
Is not Obama not working on his legacy and after the disaster in Benghazi is he willing to have his fingers burnt again.
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Hmm,
Look at the map below:
IMHO, the Russians have put together a pretty good game plan to do what they came to Syria to do, return the country to Assad.
It begins with elimination of anti-Assad rebels from the areas in yellow closest to Assad controlled land. The Russians could care less who the good or bad rebels are, the goal is elimination. The Russians will, in the beginning, use Assad's troops on the ground to begin the removal process while at the same time determining what they may have to do in terms of "boots on the ground" and what logistics are required to make it totally happen. At this point in time, they are not interested in ISIS.
Next will come the elimination of pockets of ISIS from the areas east, south southwest and northwest of Palmyra. I would predict a mixture of Russian troops and others will take this on very soon.
Lastly, will come the major push to drive all of ISIS out of Syria, not many of which will make it out alive. This will involve many Russian, Iranian and other troops on the ground. And if you look at the map again, there will be only one place for ISIS (those that make it out) to go and that is Iraq. The Iraqis see this coming and are asking for Russian support starting now, because they don't see support coming from the US, UK, FR or Germany.
Give it some time, we will see.
Look at the map below:
IMHO, the Russians have put together a pretty good game plan to do what they came to Syria to do, return the country to Assad.
It begins with elimination of anti-Assad rebels from the areas in yellow closest to Assad controlled land. The Russians could care less who the good or bad rebels are, the goal is elimination. The Russians will, in the beginning, use Assad's troops on the ground to begin the removal process while at the same time determining what they may have to do in terms of "boots on the ground" and what logistics are required to make it totally happen. At this point in time, they are not interested in ISIS.
Next will come the elimination of pockets of ISIS from the areas east, south southwest and northwest of Palmyra. I would predict a mixture of Russian troops and others will take this on very soon.
Lastly, will come the major push to drive all of ISIS out of Syria, not many of which will make it out alive. This will involve many Russian, Iranian and other troops on the ground. And if you look at the map again, there will be only one place for ISIS (those that make it out) to go and that is Iraq. The Iraqis see this coming and are asking for Russian support starting now, because they don't see support coming from the US, UK, FR or Germany.
Give it some time, we will see.