Russia sends four SU27s to Syria
Cazalet old chap:
Good enough to shoot down a Turkish F4 earlier this year.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/June_2...rkish_aircraft
The Aviationist » Russian Su-30SM, Su-24 violate Turkish airspace. Flanker locks on TuAF F-16 for +5 minutes
Looks like Syria have integrated the Russians quite successfully and we do not really know what equipment the Russians have with them, add in a couple of batteries of S400s to the Syrian S300s you have a pretty sophisticated system.
Russia would have to set up an entirely parallel air defence system from scratch to defend Syria from NATO aggression. Simply can't be done, old boy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/June_2...rkish_aircraft
The Aviationist » Russian Su-30SM, Su-24 violate Turkish airspace. Flanker locks on TuAF F-16 for +5 minutes
Looks like Syria have integrated the Russians quite successfully and we do not really know what equipment the Russians have with them, add in a couple of batteries of S400s to the Syrian S300s you have a pretty sophisticated system.
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Rules of the Air
Or of avoiding collisions.
I saw somewhere that the USA was complaining that Russian aircraft were flying too close to their drones.
So, who is responsible for missing whom?
Fixed wing drone like Predator, or a jet drone like a cruise missile?
So, does manned give way to unmanned (certainly a jet will give way to SAM
)?
If a slow drone and a cruise missile collide I can imagine the recriminations. You hit me. No, you were in my way.
I saw somewhere that the USA was complaining that Russian aircraft were flying too close to their drones.
So, who is responsible for missing whom?
Fixed wing drone like Predator, or a jet drone like a cruise missile?
So, does manned give way to unmanned (certainly a jet will give way to SAM
)?If a slow drone and a cruise missile collide I can imagine the recriminations. You hit me. No, you were in my way.
PN:
Remember the advert 'where's there's blame there's a claim.' Is a drone in the same category as a hot air balloon in that neither are not really controllable in the true sense of the term.
More seriously is there any reports of A50 Mainstays been reported?
Remember the advert 'where's there's blame there's a claim.' Is a drone in the same category as a hot air balloon in that neither are not really controllable in the true sense of the term.
More seriously is there any reports of A50 Mainstays been reported?
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add in a couple of batteries of S400s to the Syrian S300s you have a pretty sophisticated system.
When NATO ground attack aircraft incurse (is that the verb of incursion?), my money's on the NATO package winning the encounter.
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
50-50% choice, which do you believe......
Daily Beast: Obama Official Says Putin?s New War Is a Sign of American Success - The Daily Beast
The Russian airstrikes on Syria are a sign that U.S. policy is working, a senior State Department official told shocked Syrian-American advocates in a private meeting on Monday.
The “Russians wouldn’t have to help Assad if we didn’t weaken him,” U.S. special envoy for Syria Michael Ratney said, according to multiple participants in the meeting and contemporaneous notes. Russian intervention, he went on to say, is a sign of success for American policy on Syria..........
Washington Times: KEN ALLARD: Toward war in the Middle East - Washington Times
...........As a highly trained KGB apparatchik, Syria is not Mr. Putin’s first rodeo. While it has become obligatory in Washington policy salons to deplore Crimea and eastern Ukraine, Egypt’s recent history offers a better clue to Russia’s long-range goals.
Home to the Arab world’s largest population and the region’s geopolitical crossroads, Egypt had been a key American strategic ally ever since Anwar Sadat. But Mr. Obama backed the Islamist dictatorship of Mohammed Morsi, even after 30 million Egyptians took to the streets in July, 2013 to force his overthrow. When Mr. Obama cut off military ties with the new Egyptian regime of President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi, the Russians swiftly stepped in to reverse a generation of American statecraft. Unlike the amateurs in the West Wing, Russian strategists and diplomats have no difficulty connecting dots or reading maps.
Neither do our few remaining allies in the Middle East, who can be forgiven for drawing their own conclusions, given the Egyptian reversal, those Syrian red-lines, the recent Iranian arms control deal and the steady expansion of Iranian influence throughout the region. Because it is a tough and unforgiving neighborhood, where would you place your bets if you lived there? Do you ally yourself with the rising regional power or the one seemingly intent only on defeat and retreat? As a friend points out, “Obama only attacks oilmen, Wall Street, the police, pro-lifers, the NRA, Christians, conservative Republicans, and traditional U.S. allies. Remember when they were the good guys?”
In this confusing world, it is important to remember that things can get worse, particularly given the fog of war with lots of heavily armed aircraft moving at high speeds over surprisingly small operating areas. War is justly famed for confounding the best intentions, for proving that the only assumption which holds true is the one you were certain could never happen.
Daily Beast: Obama Official Says Putin?s New War Is a Sign of American Success - The Daily Beast
The Russian airstrikes on Syria are a sign that U.S. policy is working, a senior State Department official told shocked Syrian-American advocates in a private meeting on Monday.
The “Russians wouldn’t have to help Assad if we didn’t weaken him,” U.S. special envoy for Syria Michael Ratney said, according to multiple participants in the meeting and contemporaneous notes. Russian intervention, he went on to say, is a sign of success for American policy on Syria..........
Washington Times: KEN ALLARD: Toward war in the Middle East - Washington Times
...........As a highly trained KGB apparatchik, Syria is not Mr. Putin’s first rodeo. While it has become obligatory in Washington policy salons to deplore Crimea and eastern Ukraine, Egypt’s recent history offers a better clue to Russia’s long-range goals.
Home to the Arab world’s largest population and the region’s geopolitical crossroads, Egypt had been a key American strategic ally ever since Anwar Sadat. But Mr. Obama backed the Islamist dictatorship of Mohammed Morsi, even after 30 million Egyptians took to the streets in July, 2013 to force his overthrow. When Mr. Obama cut off military ties with the new Egyptian regime of President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi, the Russians swiftly stepped in to reverse a generation of American statecraft. Unlike the amateurs in the West Wing, Russian strategists and diplomats have no difficulty connecting dots or reading maps.
Neither do our few remaining allies in the Middle East, who can be forgiven for drawing their own conclusions, given the Egyptian reversal, those Syrian red-lines, the recent Iranian arms control deal and the steady expansion of Iranian influence throughout the region. Because it is a tough and unforgiving neighborhood, where would you place your bets if you lived there? Do you ally yourself with the rising regional power or the one seemingly intent only on defeat and retreat? As a friend points out, “Obama only attacks oilmen, Wall Street, the police, pro-lifers, the NRA, Christians, conservative Republicans, and traditional U.S. allies. Remember when they were the good guys?”
In this confusing world, it is important to remember that things can get worse, particularly given the fog of war with lots of heavily armed aircraft moving at high speeds over surprisingly small operating areas. War is justly famed for confounding the best intentions, for proving that the only assumption which holds true is the one you were certain could never happen.
I would like to commend an interesting perspective written by an experienced analyst:
A World Without Islam | Graham E. Fuller
The north Eastern corner of the Mediterranean has been a cultural crossroad and flashpoint for millenia, not just East/West but also North/South. Islam is just another factor that adds salt to the suppurating sore.
The author was a senior CIA analyst, that does not mean his views represent policy.
A World Without Islam | Graham E. Fuller
The north Eastern corner of the Mediterranean has been a cultural crossroad and flashpoint for millenia, not just East/West but also North/South. Islam is just another factor that adds salt to the suppurating sore.
The author was a senior CIA analyst, that does not mean his views represent policy.
Cazalet:
NATO are not going to attack Syria in any significant way without a resolution from the UNSC and that ain't going to happen in Putin's lifetime as he has a veto on any action.
As to Syrian air defence, it may not be UKADGE plus integration with NATO CAOCs but you would not want to be flying against systems like S3/400 missiles.
NATO are not going to attack Syria in any significant way without a resolution from the UNSC and that ain't going to happen in Putin's lifetime as he has a veto on any action.
As to Syrian air defence, it may not be UKADGE plus integration with NATO CAOCs but you would not want to be flying against systems like S3/400 missiles.
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The problem is one of the principles of war. The first British principle is:
Selection and Maintenance of the Aim
A single, unambiguous aim is the keystone of successful military operations. Selection and maintenance of the aim is regarded as the master principle of war.
In the USA the first objective is:
Direct every military operation toward a clearly defined, decisive and attainable objective. The ultimate military purpose of war is the destruction of the enemy's ability to fight and will to fight.
In Britain, is the aim defeat of ISIL or the overthrow of Assad?
In the USA case their objective appears to have defined the enemy as Assad.
Russia, OTOH, is supporting Assad and thus opposed to the USA. This leaves the UK in a quandary. Do we support Obama and attack Assad or do we support Russia and support Assad?
Selection and Maintenance of the Aim
A single, unambiguous aim is the keystone of successful military operations. Selection and maintenance of the aim is regarded as the master principle of war.
In the USA the first objective is:
Direct every military operation toward a clearly defined, decisive and attainable objective. The ultimate military purpose of war is the destruction of the enemy's ability to fight and will to fight.
In Britain, is the aim defeat of ISIL or the overthrow of Assad?
In the USA case their objective appears to have defined the enemy as Assad.
Russia, OTOH, is supporting Assad and thus opposed to the USA. This leaves the UK in a quandary. Do we support Obama and attack Assad or do we support Russia and support Assad?
PN:
If this is true, yet another ball in play. Only from one source
China Send Fighter Jets To Syria, Joining Forces With Russia | Your News Wire
This is just getting dangerous. Is it part of the accommodation between Russia and China who have their own islamic problem.
If this is true, yet another ball in play. Only from one source
China Send Fighter Jets To Syria, Joining Forces With Russia | Your News Wire
This is just getting dangerous. Is it part of the accommodation between Russia and China who have their own islamic problem.
Air pig,
That story has been doing the rounds since it appeared in the well known conspiracy website Debka. There were claiming that the Chinese aircraft carrier Liaoning was off Syria on 26th September. The J-15 is the carrier capable multi-role Chinese Flanker variant.
It looks like certain media and journalists are still spinning the fabricated story.
Russia in Syria: Chinese J-15 fighter jets to join Russian air campaign against Isis?
That story has been doing the rounds since it appeared in the well known conspiracy website Debka. There were claiming that the Chinese aircraft carrier Liaoning was off Syria on 26th September. The J-15 is the carrier capable multi-role Chinese Flanker variant.
It looks like certain media and journalists are still spinning the fabricated story.
The Israeli military and intelligence news website DEBKAfile has now claimed that the Chinese are preparing to join Russia. The Jerusalem-based news website noted that the "J-15 warplanes will take off from the Chinese Liaoning-CV-16 aircraft carrier, which reached Syrian shores on 26 September."
TEEJ:
Interesting scenario though and they would not need an aircraft carrier to get there either.
Interesting scenario though and they would not need an aircraft carrier to get there either.
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Saudi are not happy.
Word is that they delivered 500 TOW missiles to the FSA this week.
Certainly the FSA have been using lots of them. Including against low helicopters.
Word is that they delivered 500 TOW missiles to the FSA this week.
Certainly the FSA have been using lots of them. Including against low helicopters.
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Will be quite surprised if the Chinese get in and make even a couple of shots.
It does not look like they forgot Sun Tzu who said: “If you wait by the river long enough, the bodies of your enemies will float by.”
Thus, just wait and see. Who will be floating - the Russians, Americans, ISIS, any of them would be for the benefit of Tianxia (country "under heaven")
It does not look like they forgot Sun Tzu who said: “If you wait by the river long enough, the bodies of your enemies will float by.”
Thus, just wait and see. Who will be floating - the Russians, Americans, ISIS, any of them would be for the benefit of Tianxia (country "under heaven")
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The western countries either have forgotten or never read the words of the philosopher general. A wise man.
The western countries either have forgotten or never read the words of the philosopher general. A wise man.
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The Russians are also using Syria to test their systems and kit following the changes after the Georgian fiasco
Ukraine & Crimea were a useful first step but against very weak opposition - Syria is a step up
plus they have always backed Assad so they are unlikely to drop him now
Our big problem is that no-one has any idea of what we want at the end - other than peace & goodwill to all men
Ukraine & Crimea were a useful first step but against very weak opposition - Syria is a step up
plus they have always backed Assad so they are unlikely to drop him now
Our big problem is that no-one has any idea of what we want at the end - other than peace & goodwill to all men
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what we want in the end
We might want happy smiling faces in a prosperous secular democracy, neutral but friendly to the West.
What do the people want?
What do the people need?
For a start they probably need a strong man capable of bashing a few heads together so that peace and harmony is a more comfortable option.
What do they want? Each religious faction has its own agenda. The young single men probably want the buzz from firing their Kalashnikovs at human targets. The villages probably want nothing except to be left alone. The townsfolk probably want peace and trade.
Is the West's ideal of democracy relevant? It the Russian idea of an imposed dictatorship better? Certainly in Russia many, especially in Putin's home town, think he is the greatest thing since sliced bread (since bread is now available).
MIG 29 shot down
The source may be unreliable, but it might be true!
Russian 'jet SHOT DOWN by Turkish forces after it flew into their airspace' | World | News | Daily Express
Russian 'jet SHOT DOWN by Turkish forces after it flew into their airspace' | World | News | Daily Express
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bull****
It's very very interesting to read about my native country on the aviaton thread,but guys,vast majority of information looks like bull****. Does Anybody have some reliable info?
90%info here from point "a little bird told",and people try to interpret it in different ways like chatterboxes.
Light surfing on the net( official sources) can give Your pretty reliable info:
News : Ministry of Defence of the Russian Federation
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/world/middle_east.html
and so on.
My country really faced with terrorists some times ago(North Coucasia),and so many people were killed there (men,women,children).Even now Police catchs bearded hoodlums in mountainous area,who try to build "arabic halifat" killing people. It's really problem,when anybody trys to judge somebody in according to "Sharian laws"-cutting throats and heads,and burning live people (go to Yotube to find examples). Therefore,I think, it's good position to deal with terrorists killing them before moment,when they try to build such bedlam like in Syria,Libya,Afganistan,Iraq in my country or anywhere in Europe,Asia or Australia.
Bstrgds
Safe flights
90%info here from point "a little bird told",and people try to interpret it in different ways like chatterboxes.
Light surfing on the net( official sources) can give Your pretty reliable info:
News : Ministry of Defence of the Russian Federation
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/world/middle_east.html
and so on.
My country really faced with terrorists some times ago(North Coucasia),and so many people were killed there (men,women,children).Even now Police catchs bearded hoodlums in mountainous area,who try to build "arabic halifat" killing people. It's really problem,when anybody trys to judge somebody in according to "Sharian laws"-cutting throats and heads,and burning live people (go to Yotube to find examples). Therefore,I think, it's good position to deal with terrorists killing them before moment,when they try to build such bedlam like in Syria,Libya,Afganistan,Iraq in my country or anywhere in Europe,Asia or Australia.
Bstrgds
Safe flights