Defence College of Technical Training - Canned
So what other building 'follies' and moves are going on?
I heard the following:
- A brand spanking new HQ and hangar at RAF Syerston - when 18 months later they are still not able to fly cadets. Further rumour is that they now want the runway resurfaced!
- The move of all supplier training to Worthy Down and the rumour is there is no money to do it.
- Move of Gunner trg from Honington to Halton, when the top brass are trying to arrange Operation SAVE-CRANWELL by expecting to move all RAF initial training to Cranwell from Halton by 2018. Haven't they heard "there is no money"?
- Everyone is chockablock in HQ Air after everyone told them that the rationalisation of MOD and HQ PTC would not fit - now there is overflow at Halton and we've had to move loads of staff out of the HQ to FHQs on the MoBs (which also doesn't work).
- The great Brize Norton debacle is just that. No-where to park, people squeezed in like sardines and people still living in quarters at Lyneham. Looking forward to Op BOLTHOLE in a few years time when the runway needs doing.
- Leuchars still has a RAF contingent as Lossiemouth needs a diversion the other side of the Grampians for QRA. Kinloss runway stays open as Lossie's crash diversion. Some great savings there then!
- The move of flying from Wyton to Cranwell and Wyton has been a total disaster. No one thought that an AEF/UAS might want to fly at weekends at Wyton with all the support ot needs (I kid you not).
- They are struggling to find language instructors for the recently moved Defence School of Languages - Beaconsfield was near to some native speakers, whereas Shrivenham in the Cotswolds isn't!
The list of scr3w ups is just unbelievable, and this latest Lyneham debacle is just another. Is there NO-ONE that can provide a single coherent strategy for basing for the next 20 years that is funded and we can stick to?
Whilst we're at it. Why have we still got airfields at:
Kenley
Kirknewton
Little Rissington
Weathersfield
Weston-on-the-Green
Woodvale
Barkston Heath
Syerston
Predannack
Topcliffe
When there is absolutely no other core Service activity happening at these establishments? Surely, they are the 'brownfield' choice of champions for the Govt's housing development plans?
It doesn't seem to be that difficult, but as ever, meddling by those with vested interests far up the 'slippery pole' seem to override common sense and the call by those with some grey matter between their ears. The lunacy of the Defence Infrastructure Organisation and their Regional Prime Contractors ripping off the taxpayers by at least 100% of the going rate by a local tradesman/builder is just another indication of waste. The fact that it is full of scribblies really does prove what we've long suspected. How the Scribbly Branch has survived all these years of cuts is beyond me. If ever there was an area of our branches that could be FTRS'd, Civil Servantised or even contracted out, then it's the Pers Supt Branch!
There you go, that's one area of SDSR sorted.
It really just beggars belief! I think I need to have a lie down in the garden under the Sunday Times to calm down...
iRaven
I heard the following:
- A brand spanking new HQ and hangar at RAF Syerston - when 18 months later they are still not able to fly cadets. Further rumour is that they now want the runway resurfaced!
- The move of all supplier training to Worthy Down and the rumour is there is no money to do it.
- Move of Gunner trg from Honington to Halton, when the top brass are trying to arrange Operation SAVE-CRANWELL by expecting to move all RAF initial training to Cranwell from Halton by 2018. Haven't they heard "there is no money"?
- Everyone is chockablock in HQ Air after everyone told them that the rationalisation of MOD and HQ PTC would not fit - now there is overflow at Halton and we've had to move loads of staff out of the HQ to FHQs on the MoBs (which also doesn't work).
- The great Brize Norton debacle is just that. No-where to park, people squeezed in like sardines and people still living in quarters at Lyneham. Looking forward to Op BOLTHOLE in a few years time when the runway needs doing.
- Leuchars still has a RAF contingent as Lossiemouth needs a diversion the other side of the Grampians for QRA. Kinloss runway stays open as Lossie's crash diversion. Some great savings there then!
- The move of flying from Wyton to Cranwell and Wyton has been a total disaster. No one thought that an AEF/UAS might want to fly at weekends at Wyton with all the support ot needs (I kid you not).
- They are struggling to find language instructors for the recently moved Defence School of Languages - Beaconsfield was near to some native speakers, whereas Shrivenham in the Cotswolds isn't!
The list of scr3w ups is just unbelievable, and this latest Lyneham debacle is just another. Is there NO-ONE that can provide a single coherent strategy for basing for the next 20 years that is funded and we can stick to?
Whilst we're at it. Why have we still got airfields at:
Kenley
Kirknewton
Little Rissington
Weathersfield
Weston-on-the-Green
Woodvale
Barkston Heath
Syerston
Predannack
Topcliffe
When there is absolutely no other core Service activity happening at these establishments? Surely, they are the 'brownfield' choice of champions for the Govt's housing development plans?
It doesn't seem to be that difficult, but as ever, meddling by those with vested interests far up the 'slippery pole' seem to override common sense and the call by those with some grey matter between their ears. The lunacy of the Defence Infrastructure Organisation and their Regional Prime Contractors ripping off the taxpayers by at least 100% of the going rate by a local tradesman/builder is just another indication of waste. The fact that it is full of scribblies really does prove what we've long suspected. How the Scribbly Branch has survived all these years of cuts is beyond me. If ever there was an area of our branches that could be FTRS'd, Civil Servantised or even contracted out, then it's the Pers Supt Branch!
There you go, that's one area of SDSR sorted.
It really just beggars belief! I think I need to have a lie down in the garden under the Sunday Times to calm down...
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Whilst we're at it. Why have we still got airfields at:
Kenley
Kirknewton
Little Rissington
Weathersfield
Weston-on-the-Green
Woodvale
Barkston Heath
Syerston
Predannack
Topcliffe
When there is absolutely no other core Service activity happening at these establishments? Surely, they are the 'brownfield' choice of champions for the Govt's housing development plans?
iRaven
Kenley
Kirknewton
Little Rissington
Weathersfield
Weston-on-the-Green
Woodvale
Barkston Heath
Syerston
Predannack
Topcliffe
When there is absolutely no other core Service activity happening at these establishments? Surely, they are the 'brownfield' choice of champions for the Govt's housing development plans?
iRaven
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Did you actually understand the wank words in the quote in the OP?
WFT are they tranching? What is wrong with phase? They were doing it on a phased manner so presumably in f****g phases. Or management elegant variations to avoid inelegant repetition.
Wordsmiths might be decried but they try and use appropriate language
WFT are they tranching? What is wrong with phase? They were doing it on a phased manner so presumably in f****g phases. Or management elegant variations to avoid inelegant repetition.
Wordsmiths might be decried but they try and use appropriate language
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Lyneham and REME
The REME move is too far gone to stop it. The forward elements are already there taking over buildings and providing initial capability for the studes starting their revised courses. The first courses stood up the begining of this month.
Bordon is falling apart, it's had no proper care and maintenance to the buildings for decades. Arborfield is a little better, but still would need a lot of money to bring it up to a decent standard.
The plan to move Sultan has fallen on it's backside because the Navy have no desire to intergrate their training with the other two services. Collingwood's been a case study for that for years.
As for moving Cosford, How do you move the RAF's aircraft tech training on to an airfield that's got no hangar space as it's already full of tanks and the pan and runways being used for recovery training?
Bordon is falling apart, it's had no proper care and maintenance to the buildings for decades. Arborfield is a little better, but still would need a lot of money to bring it up to a decent standard.
The plan to move Sultan has fallen on it's backside because the Navy have no desire to intergrate their training with the other two services. Collingwood's been a case study for that for years.
As for moving Cosford, How do you move the RAF's aircraft tech training on to an airfield that's got no hangar space as it's already full of tanks and the pan and runways being used for recovery training?
The plan to move Sultan has fallen on it's backside because the Navy have no desire to intergrate their training with the other two services. Collingwood's been a case study for that for years.
The Sultan move economics were always predicated on being able to get a significant pile of bunce from redeveloping the site for housing. Trouble is that the infrastructure in Gosport/Fareham won't support that level of additional housing, so planning permission (and hence realisable value) is unlikely. Add to that the lessons learned in retention over the last few years and it becomes clear that the perceived benefits of tri-service collocation may not be all they're cracked up to be.
N-a-b,
That has been the problem with all DIOs sales and potential sales of MoD sites!
economics were always predicated on being able to get a significant pile of bunce from redeveloping the site for housing
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N-a-B,
I do indeed know what training is undertaken at Collingwood. I was a stude there myself last century and have good friends instructing there in light blue at the moment.
As to the housing development thing... It's the same for Arborfield and Bordon. Both are earmarked to become very large housing developments. (when the quarters are eventually handed back from being overspill for Aldershot with the returning of the last gaspers of BAOR.)
I do indeed know what training is undertaken at Collingwood. I was a stude there myself last century and have good friends instructing there in light blue at the moment.
As to the housing development thing... It's the same for Arborfield and Bordon. Both are earmarked to become very large housing developments. (when the quarters are eventually handed back from being overspill for Aldershot with the returning of the last gaspers of BAOR.)
iRaven:
re Predannack, used as a RLG for Culdrose. Take a look at how far it is from the rest of civilisation, smack bang in the middle of an AONB and see how easy it is to build houses there.
re Predannack, used as a RLG for Culdrose. Take a look at how far it is from the rest of civilisation, smack bang in the middle of an AONB and see how easy it is to build houses there.
