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I'm just asking for transparency.
I'd like to see how much money Carfest gave to Children in Need.
Look at RIAT, a very small amount of the money taken in actually ends up with the charity.
I'd like to see how much money Carfest gave to Children in Need.
Look at RIAT, a very small amount of the money taken in actually ends up with the charity.
Flying displays are only really a sideshow at CarFest though.
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From the Carfest website:
Now that looks like it's worth supporting more than RIAT. Is there any airshow doing that level of donation to any good cause?
CarFest donates 25% of the ticket revenue to BBC Children in Need plus with other fundraising activity we have raised over £3.4 million since 2012
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Jersey ... 2015 ... Air display accounts not available for another ?one or two weeks? « Jersey Evening Post
Now here's a local conundrum. Our Deputy ["MP" in the States of Jersey] Mike Higgins is a great Air Show enthusiast. He runs the thing. Indeed, I have been led to believe that the RAFA HQ in St Helier was sold partly to help continue funding the Air Show.
According to the RAFA website, "Trefusis Forbes trophy, awarded for the highest net collection per member including Airshows for overseas. With over £19,000 raised, the trophy goes to the Jersey Branch as always another highly successful year. Collected by Branch Chairman Peter Clarke." In the Charitable context, RBL (Jersey) raised well over £150,000 last year. So NOT exactly a Charity money-spinner for the Air Show ... except for the Tourism benefits, of course, and the Deputy's esteem. Curiously, I always thought it was RAFA orientated ... at least that's what I understood when talking to AM Dusty Miller at the Air Show a year or three ago in the VIP enclosure [for which we paid quite a few quid].
Some years ago I was asked by a previous Lieut-Governor to take over as RAFA Chairman here ... after some background research into what was going on, I said "No Way, Sir".
I now always wonder about the who/why/for whom of some air displays.
Now here's a local conundrum. Our Deputy ["MP" in the States of Jersey] Mike Higgins is a great Air Show enthusiast. He runs the thing. Indeed, I have been led to believe that the RAFA HQ in St Helier was sold partly to help continue funding the Air Show.
According to the RAFA website, "Trefusis Forbes trophy, awarded for the highest net collection per member including Airshows for overseas. With over £19,000 raised, the trophy goes to the Jersey Branch as always another highly successful year. Collected by Branch Chairman Peter Clarke." In the Charitable context, RBL (Jersey) raised well over £150,000 last year. So NOT exactly a Charity money-spinner for the Air Show ... except for the Tourism benefits, of course, and the Deputy's esteem. Curiously, I always thought it was RAFA orientated ... at least that's what I understood when talking to AM Dusty Miller at the Air Show a year or three ago in the VIP enclosure [for which we paid quite a few quid].
Some years ago I was asked by a previous Lieut-Governor to take over as RAFA Chairman here ... after some background research into what was going on, I said "No Way, Sir".
I now always wonder about the who/why/for whom of some air displays.
Getting back to the subject at hand. I read the CVs of the Gnat Display Team's pilots in the immediate aftermath of the accident and was left distinctly underwhelmed by most, with the selection criteria appearing to consist of a bit of UAS time and a job in consultancy or investment banking. Now with the benefit of the AAIB's report*, which makes no mention of any Hawk experience in Mr Whyman's flying history, it would appear that even these thinnest of CVs are a little inflated. What exactly does "completed his initial RAF Pilot Training" mean in another pilot's profile?
I would be very surprised if any of the inexperienced individuals flew a display in future in the light of the AAIB's report. So it will be interesting to see how firmly the aircraft owners subscribe to the historical and educational aims of the Heritage Aircraft Trust, which will presumably require them to continue to foot a decent chunk of the bill while rather more experienced pilots display the aircraft on their behalf. Very happy to be proved wrong but I have a feeling that the charitable aims followed rather than led in this venture.
* Excellent report, with one caveat - I would have liked to have seen an assessment of where the pilot was likely to be looking after completing his twinkle rolls. What was next in the display sequence - did it need him to get visual with the other aircraft or would he have been looking for some ground feature? My thought on seeing the video was that he could have been looking over his shoulder when pulling in to the overbank, hence late recognition and inadequate recovery action. The report did include a one-liner that disorientation could not be ruled out, but I think a paragraph expanding upon that would have been useful context.
I would be very surprised if any of the inexperienced individuals flew a display in future in the light of the AAIB's report. So it will be interesting to see how firmly the aircraft owners subscribe to the historical and educational aims of the Heritage Aircraft Trust, which will presumably require them to continue to foot a decent chunk of the bill while rather more experienced pilots display the aircraft on their behalf. Very happy to be proved wrong but I have a feeling that the charitable aims followed rather than led in this venture.
* Excellent report, with one caveat - I would have liked to have seen an assessment of where the pilot was likely to be looking after completing his twinkle rolls. What was next in the display sequence - did it need him to get visual with the other aircraft or would he have been looking for some ground feature? My thought on seeing the video was that he could have been looking over his shoulder when pulling in to the overbank, hence late recognition and inadequate recovery action. The report did include a one-liner that disorientation could not be ruled out, but I think a paragraph expanding upon that would have been useful context.
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PPL type rating
Could someone please explain why a single engine Jet aircraft doesn't require a SE (Jet) type rating? Also am I correct in thinking that if you wanted to fly / display a SU26M or Extra 300 you need to obtain a high performance rating including passing ATPL exams? Does the same apply if your flying a category of aircraft that the CAA aren't able to categorize say a jet aircraft with more than zero but less than two engines?
Also does anyone else think the report is missing the kind of human factors / physiology issues associated with flying high performance jet aircraft? This would be totally standard in an MAA investigation.?.?
Also does anyone else think the report is missing the kind of human factors / physiology issues associated with flying high performance jet aircraft? This would be totally standard in an MAA investigation.?.?
The CAA do not issue SE(JET) type ratings;one is issued an `Aircraft type rating Exemption,under Article 242 of the ANO 2009,for ex-mil jet aircraft,either single or multi-engined.
It is not necessary to take ATPL exams before flying/displaying high performance aircraft.
In the case of ex-mil jet aircraft,one has to do a conversion course on the particular aircraft,both technical and flying,in accordance with CAP 632,depending on previous experience,before being issued with a full exemption,subject to satisfactory standard of technical knowledge and handling skills.
It is not necessary to take ATPL exams before flying/displaying high performance aircraft.
In the case of ex-mil jet aircraft,one has to do a conversion course on the particular aircraft,both technical and flying,in accordance with CAP 632,depending on previous experience,before being issued with a full exemption,subject to satisfactory standard of technical knowledge and handling skills.
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The CAA do not issue SE(JET) type ratings;one is issued an `Aircraft type rating Exemption,under Article 242 of the ANO 2009,for ex-mil jet aircraft,either single or multi-engined.
It is not necessary to take ATPL exams before flying/displaying high performance aircraft.
In the case of ex-mil jet aircraft,one has to do a conversion course on the particular aircraft,both technical and flying,in accordance with CAP 632,depending on previous experience,before being issued with a full exemption,subject to satisfactory standard of technical knowledge and handling skills.
It is not necessary to take ATPL exams before flying/displaying high performance aircraft.
In the case of ex-mil jet aircraft,one has to do a conversion course on the particular aircraft,both technical and flying,in accordance with CAP 632,depending on previous experience,before being issued with a full exemption,subject to satisfactory standard of technical knowledge and handling skills.
Thanks for clearing that up. Does seem a little strange that they impose the (piston) part on a type rating then - I always assumed that there would be an SE (Jet) to justify having SE (Piston).
One day I'll care enough to learn and understand the CAAs logic**
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Church Fenton Airshow cancelled.
It'll be the first of many. Linky below
Airshow cancelled because of "challenging year" (From The Northern Echo)
Small time air-show, but a bellwether for 2016. The industry will have to adapt more quickly if it is to survive.
Airshow cancelled because of "challenging year" (From The Northern Echo)
Small time air-show, but a bellwether for 2016. The industry will have to adapt more quickly if it is to survive.
I confess I amazed when I saw that final rolling turn - that Gnat seemed to turn on a sixpence, I wonder what the acceleration was.
Sympathies to the pilot and his family, such a waste.
Sympathies to the pilot and his family, such a waste.
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Rather nice to see that the last post remembers the fact that this is a human story, as well as an opportunity to discuss objectively the points raised in the report and, of course, the myriad of questions that it raises for discussion within our community.
What I appreciate about CAA/MAA reports is that they are objective and dispassionate, unlike many of the posts within this thread - although I don't disagree with the majority of the points raised here within, I'd offer for general consideration that emotive language is neither empathetic (to those that may have known the bloke and his family) or indeed professional, if you wish to pass comment as an SME.
Of course, if you don't want or care to be either, then that's a shame but is itself testament to the many different types of personality I've worked with and continue to work with within the Aviation World.
In memory of absent friends from all domains.
Night all!
What I appreciate about CAA/MAA reports is that they are objective and dispassionate, unlike many of the posts within this thread - although I don't disagree with the majority of the points raised here within, I'd offer for general consideration that emotive language is neither empathetic (to those that may have known the bloke and his family) or indeed professional, if you wish to pass comment as an SME.
Of course, if you don't want or care to be either, then that's a shame but is itself testament to the many different types of personality I've worked with and continue to work with within the Aviation World.
In memory of absent friends from all domains.
Night all!
