Police Commisioner suggesting troops should be In Calais
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Maybe I didn't make myself clear, for which I apologise.
What I should have done was give you my definition of 'overly generous' ....
I consider anything over £1 per week per person given to anybody that has not contributed to 'the system' for a given amount of time to be overly generous.
Socialism is great until you run out of other people's money!
Maybe I didn't make myself clear, for which I apologise.
What I should have done was give you my definition of 'overly generous' ....
I consider anything over £1 per week per person given to anybody that has not contributed to 'the system' for a given amount of time to be overly generous.
Socialism is great until you run out of other people's money!
I agree pr00ne that we should admit those that we want to, whether we do so for humanitarian, economic, or for whatever other reasons. While we are in the EU we cannot do so freely. We need to regain control of our own immigration policies and not have them dictated to us from the EU, which is not united and never will be.
It could be argued that had we made peace with the Nazis in 1940 instead of choosing to resist and then to contribute to their defeat, that we could have become far more powerful than we are today. The deal offered was for us to continue to dominate the British Empire while Germany dominated all Europe.
That may well have been a false prospectus but many were lured by it then, just as they are today by the false prospectus that is the EU. It claims (and for which it received the Nobel Peace Prize) to keeping the peace in Europe since WW2. It didn't, NATO did. It claims that political union will follow monetary union. It won't, far more likely instead that it will erupt into outright hostilities.
Now we have the great challenge of our age, that of the haves and the have nots. Whatever the solution to that conundrum, it will not lie within the EU which is unable to resolve the economic imbalances within its own countries, sorry regions. If we send troops to France in order to forcibly repel impoverished and desperate migrants it will end in disaster for us and justification for the French. As Exascot says, it is their problem and they should enforce their own security in their own country. We can supply the kit but they should supply the protection needed to install it, otherwise the Chunnel should remain closed until it can be secured. There is a cost to national security, and that will be a part of it. We have always had to pay that price and, as long as we wish to be free of the domination of others, we always will.
It could be argued that had we made peace with the Nazis in 1940 instead of choosing to resist and then to contribute to their defeat, that we could have become far more powerful than we are today. The deal offered was for us to continue to dominate the British Empire while Germany dominated all Europe.
That may well have been a false prospectus but many were lured by it then, just as they are today by the false prospectus that is the EU. It claims (and for which it received the Nobel Peace Prize) to keeping the peace in Europe since WW2. It didn't, NATO did. It claims that political union will follow monetary union. It won't, far more likely instead that it will erupt into outright hostilities.
Now we have the great challenge of our age, that of the haves and the have nots. Whatever the solution to that conundrum, it will not lie within the EU which is unable to resolve the economic imbalances within its own countries, sorry regions. If we send troops to France in order to forcibly repel impoverished and desperate migrants it will end in disaster for us and justification for the French. As Exascot says, it is their problem and they should enforce their own security in their own country. We can supply the kit but they should supply the protection needed to install it, otherwise the Chunnel should remain closed until it can be secured. There is a cost to national security, and that will be a part of it. We have always had to pay that price and, as long as we wish to be free of the domination of others, we always will.
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if you think that UK benefits are 'overly generous' then you are obviously not trying to live off them!
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Sorry guys, could not resist but hopefully a few of these will be put to good work soon if not already (my photo from Textron chalet @ Le Bourget last month) might help>
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As its the Commissioner himself putting these suggestions then he may need this 
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"One reason the UK has a substantial skills shortage is because hordes of professionals are emigrating because of all the immigrants.
And the immigrants coming in are not, by and large, physics teachers or nuclear engineers."
no they're people who clean offices, empty the bins, work in cafe's, dig the roads, pick the crops, drive the buses and taxis, do nightshift nursing, provide carers for the old, work on building sites - all those useless sort of jobs
all the jobs the average Brit won't do as it requires hard work - we'd much rather be in the media, or software designers or (laothsome) bankers and lawyers or physics teachers or nuclear engineers
we'd be way up s*** creek without immigrants TBH
And the immigrants coming in are not, by and large, physics teachers or nuclear engineers."
no they're people who clean offices, empty the bins, work in cafe's, dig the roads, pick the crops, drive the buses and taxis, do nightshift nursing, provide carers for the old, work on building sites - all those useless sort of jobs
all the jobs the average Brit won't do as it requires hard work - we'd much rather be in the media, or software designers or (laothsome) bankers and lawyers or physics teachers or nuclear engineers
we'd be way up s*** creek without immigrants TBH
It's no different in the good ole US of A... a good friend local builder with a great business has a son who has no interest in taking over the firm. He wants to be a rock star / programming genius etc etc... We are reliant on immigrant labour for many skilled jobs - carpentry, plumbing etc as no one wants to do them.
The challenge with eu freedom is that those countries who want it are those that want people to freely move into their country and then quickly out to the chosen destination which is the UK. There seems to be little fair share around.
We of course have the issue, like France, of a commonwealth who can settle here too... so the pressure comes from everywhere.
I do have much sympathy as an expat worker here, the hoops to jump through are many and rightfully so. I should not be able to make my home anywhere without being able to pay my way and be a positive contributor to the community.
The issue of human rights is a tough one, but ultimatly we must manage the issue as source rather than provide a release valve. I might be attacked for this, but if the determination to leave was applied to the determination to make changes the world might be a better place.
The challenge with eu freedom is that those countries who want it are those that want people to freely move into their country and then quickly out to the chosen destination which is the UK. There seems to be little fair share around.
We of course have the issue, like France, of a commonwealth who can settle here too... so the pressure comes from everywhere.
I do have much sympathy as an expat worker here, the hoops to jump through are many and rightfully so. I should not be able to make my home anywhere without being able to pay my way and be a positive contributor to the community.
The issue of human rights is a tough one, but ultimatly we must manage the issue as source rather than provide a release valve. I might be attacked for this, but if the determination to leave was applied to the determination to make changes the world might be a better place.
I don't own this space under my name. I should have leased it while I still could
HH, but have a care for my local garage owner who replaced his car wash a couple of years back. It hardly gets used today and he had lost squids on it.
Now we have to drive 6 miles to a choice of Lat or Boz or patronize the Brit in our village.
We have had some eastern European migrants and I am told some non-EU. They don't stay; they don't like rural as there are not the jobs.
Now we have to drive 6 miles to a choice of Lat or Boz or patronize the Brit in our village.
We have had some eastern European migrants and I am told some non-EU. They don't stay; they don't like rural as there are not the jobs.
I've had to take copious amounts of valium before writing this because it MAKES MY BLOOD BOIL!
The UK Border force has despatched patrol boats to the Med to assist our Italian comrades in fishing migrants out of the sea and landing them in good health on Sicily. These very same migrants are met two weeks later by the UK Border Force at Calais who then attempt to stop them migrating further.
It's hypocrisy at the highest level that "Call me Dave" claims these swarms must be dealt with when his sidekick Ms May, although providing a few bob for a new fence, is actively assisting the migration by authorising the Med deployment of UK border assets.
Does the LH know what the RH is doing?
The UK Border force has despatched patrol boats to the Med to assist our Italian comrades in fishing migrants out of the sea and landing them in good health on Sicily. These very same migrants are met two weeks later by the UK Border Force at Calais who then attempt to stop them migrating further.
It's hypocrisy at the highest level that "Call me Dave" claims these swarms must be dealt with when his sidekick Ms May, although providing a few bob for a new fence, is actively assisting the migration by authorising the Med deployment of UK border assets.
Does the LH know what the RH is doing?
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I was in a bar last year north of ABZ and the local farmers were waxing lyrical as they'd picked up a Polish Vet who was working with the long established local vets who are coming up to retirement - otherwise they were going to be stuffed. Similarly a number of Highland schools only stay open due to E European kids whose paernts are working locally
If you look at any map of immigrants you see great clusters all over E Anglia picking crops the Brits won't
I was in a bar last year north of ABZ and the local farmers were waxing lyrical as they'd picked up a Polish Vet who was working with the long established local vets who are coming up to retirement - otherwise they were going to be stuffed. Similarly a number of Highland schools only stay open due to E European kids whose paernts are working locally
If you look at any map of immigrants you see great clusters all over E Anglia picking crops the Brits won't
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True, Harry.
Most of them do jobs that Brits don't want. The Brits want to be the lawyers, the doctors, the academics, the pilots and any other high-paid and/or skilled job you can think of.
Most of them do jobs that Brits don't want. The Brits want to be the lawyers, the doctors, the academics, the pilots and any other high-paid and/or skilled job you can think of.
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There's a layabout with a large family living a couple of doors from me. Word has it is that he has 'bad back'. That doesn't stop him bashing crinkled cars back into shape or relaxing with his weeds. He hasn't worked a single day in his life. His wife doesn't work either.
There must be work for him which he can't do because there's a queue of immigrants for any job that he can't be bothered to apply for - and we are expected to pay to keep him and his family in the (comparative*) luxury that they've become accustomed to?
There are many similar cases up and down the land that have been reported many, many times in the press and muck-stirring documentaries on TV.
Getting the news to the immigrants that UK isn't paved with gold like they think it is, is obviously a very slow process or they must be ignoring it, thinking it propaganda.
I think that these 'measures' announced lately are just a sop to GB Public while all along, there's a market for cheap, plentiful labour for jobs that should be done by our own indigenous people and for mysterious reasons, aren't.
JSF. "Most of them do jobs that Brits don't want." They don't because they don't have to. Turn the money tap off and they'll have to. End of.
*Compared to many of us who have given Service to the Country and now are retired.
There must be work for him which he can't do because there's a queue of immigrants for any job that he can't be bothered to apply for - and we are expected to pay to keep him and his family in the (comparative*) luxury that they've become accustomed to?
There are many similar cases up and down the land that have been reported many, many times in the press and muck-stirring documentaries on TV.
Getting the news to the immigrants that UK isn't paved with gold like they think it is, is obviously a very slow process or they must be ignoring it, thinking it propaganda.
I think that these 'measures' announced lately are just a sop to GB Public while all along, there's a market for cheap, plentiful labour for jobs that should be done by our own indigenous people and for mysterious reasons, aren't.
JSF. "Most of them do jobs that Brits don't want." They don't because they don't have to. Turn the money tap off and they'll have to. End of.
*Compared to many of us who have given Service to the Country and now are retired.
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A perspective from a small Crown Dependency off the coast of France, where some 10% of the population are Portuguese from Madeira and a further 5%+ are from Poland ...
... and they are industrious
Meanwhile, the Social Security bill for the 'lame, inept and idle' Jersey people continues to rise.
... and they are industrious
Meanwhile, the Social Security bill for the 'lame, inept and idle' Jersey people continues to rise.
there's a market for cheap, plentiful labour for jobs that should be done by our own indigenous people and for mysterious reasons, aren't.
You get treated like sh!t
Expected to work whatever hours are asked, and never argue about anything.
25% of immigrant workers in the UK have been involved in or witnessed a serious industrial accident (Home Office's own estimate). The company delivers the required safety training, but it doesn't care whether that training is well-delivered, or relevant, or check whether you understood it or the foreman applies it. It's just a box-tick. That's also from the Home Office report, and matches my personal experience.
For which you are not paid enough to live a normal life. So you shack up 9 to a house (breaking any number of laws) and live out of tins from Lidl.
Now, this does not apply to all jobs by any stretch, but it doesn't take many before a fair few reasonable people give up and jump on the benefits wagon.
There are, of course, some really lazy b@stards already on that wagon.
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Dealing with the problem at Calais is already about 1,000 miles too late. The French have zero incentive to stop them trying to head off to the UK, the UK Border control is farcical, and every stinking, lying, sleazebag politician that opens his or her trap is trying to make political capital off the backs of these absolute wretches.
The Daily Mail leads the tabloid charge to get every brain dead Neanderthal to think this is the real issue of the day, instead of the actual problem which is the incessant leaking away of the UK' s sovereign powers to a bunch of corrupt and dictatorial jumped up traffic wardens in Brussels. It's enough to make you want to get out and lave the festering cesspool to rot - oh wait...
The Daily Mail leads the tabloid charge to get every brain dead Neanderthal to think this is the real issue of the day, instead of the actual problem which is the incessant leaking away of the UK' s sovereign powers to a bunch of corrupt and dictatorial jumped up traffic wardens in Brussels. It's enough to make you want to get out and lave the festering cesspool to rot - oh wait...
The point of military aid to the civil power is that the situation is temporary, and that the military can alleviate it. Neither of those apply here. The best that can be hoped is that the military delay the inevitable, which will probably make it worse rather than better.
Unless the PM intends imposing Martial Law, of course.
Unless the PM intends imposing Martial Law, of course.
I work in the US these days and last week one of my American colleagues was reading through the news stories and said he was confused by the photos of thousands of the great European unwashed massing in Calais.
"Why do they travel all the way through Europe, only to then be faced with a difficult sea crossing just to reach the UK, these photos show thousands of them - I just don't get it ?" he asked.
I sent him this link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRwdT5pYJXo
he sent me this link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMLWkhumMsI
"Why do they travel all the way through Europe, only to then be faced with a difficult sea crossing just to reach the UK, these photos show thousands of them - I just don't get it ?" he asked.
I sent him this link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRwdT5pYJXo
he sent me this link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMLWkhumMsI
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Why travel to London to pick clothes out of someone's bin, he could do the same in Paris, Amsterdam, Berlin, Lisbon etc... With in some of the cases Is a shorter journey and probably costing less.
