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Old 3rd Jul 2015, 00:12
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Do you mind explaining what you mean by this?
Yea I'm confused, does he mean Mcain, the save the day actor from the movies. Or does he mean the Senator, who frankely seems to bit of a softy, but okay?

Putin may be powerful and he may even be evil but he is not the tsar and he is not Comrade Stalin either
very true.

Well, he is sure as hell not Mr Magoo!
ROFL, very true too.

Putin is no fool, he may be evil by some peoples standards, but frankely he's probally just a hard nose, and not stupid. He's playing the game and he knows how to do it.

But people who rule NATO are neither honest nor peace loving.
NATO is not ruled as in its a country, maybe some understanding is required.

Don't you notice today NATO countries' borders are so much similar to occupied Europe by Hitler ?
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Nope, but maybe that should be a clue to the Russians to try and be decent human beings, such that those countries don't feel the need to be part of NATO or the EU.

If nobody thinks to occupy or disintegrate further Russia then how can you explain encroachment of Russia ?
Give examples of encroachment Russian borders. There are particular countries that even though the Russians like to think they belong to them, don't.

Are you aware that in 2013 there was already a TENDER in USA to build new Army Base in Crimea ?
So much about their peaceful politics.
Ukraines a free country, if they wanted to allow a US base there, thats theire business.

The only people in the know who would have a problem with that would be bullies who want to use intimadation to force others into their way.
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I think Green Guard is using irony to try and make a point. But then he could believe himself, in which case a dark room and medication would help.
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Yes dark room and medication would really help to understand who and why created chaos and misery all over Middle East
and now in Ukraine too !
On the other hand lets "keep our heads in sand"
and feel happy about us.
We are always right. Never wrong.
Destined to rule the world.
 
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Sorry MrSnuggels for hard feeling.
Nobody is stupid here.
The problem is that we are fed the tainted news every day in order to twist our rational thinking.
And so when we are confronted with a bare truth we feel stupid or even outraged.
Of Course NATO is to blame for the mess.
Even worse, to our fears, those who rule NATO are obviously pushing every corner and every stone in order to START the big war in Europe.
Now you think WHO WOULD BENEFIT FROM THAT ?
 
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>>Ukraines a free country, if they wanted to allow a US base there, thats theire business.

The only people in the know who would have a problem with that would be bullies who want to use intimadation to force others into their way.<<

OMG rh200 please wake up!
Its their business???
Ukraine is a free country !!
Well even Yugoslavia Iraq Afghanistan Libya Syria were free countries.
So what was "their business" to be bombed to misery ?
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Ukraine was created by Russia. Crimea was attached as a gift.
Israel too was created by SSSR so why don't you treat Palestine as a Free Country ?
USA got so many gifts from Russians too.
Like Alaska WWII victory Cold War Victory.
But now you follow that Biblical curse.
Give devil a finger he will want your body.
 
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Green Guard, are you for real?

Well even Yugoslavia Iraq Afghanistan Libya Syria were free countries.
So what was "their business" to be bombed to misery ?
Yugolslavia had disintegrated into a number of warring republics with inter-ethnic slaughter on a scale not seen in Europe since Nazi Germany. It was the United Nations that interceded, with Russia voting with its fellow Security Council members.

Iraq: screw up.

Afghanistan was run by the Taliban, and though things aren't great there ask any Afghan woman what they think. By the way, wasn't Afghanistan also a free country in 1979?

Libya: see Iraq.

If President Assad didn't suffer so much from tunnel vision he might have seen which way the wind was blowing and offered to meet people half way. Direct military action from the west in Syria has been against IS forces, not the Syrian people or government.

Ukraine was created by Russia. Crimea was attached as a gift.
Ukraine as a territory was occupied by Russia decades before the USSR was created. And as for Crimea being a 'gift', it was hardly that. Blame Khruschev. From Pravda, 27 Feb 1954:

Decree of the Presidium of the USSR Supreme Soviet transferring the Crimea Province from the Russian SFSR to the Ukrainian SSR.

Taking into account the integral character of the economy, the territorial proximity and the close economic and cultural ties between the Crimea Province and the Ukrainian SSR, the Presidium of the USSR Supreme Soviet decrees:

To approve the joint presentation of the Presidium of the Russian SFSR Supreme Soviet and the Presidium of the Ukrainian SSR Supreme Soviet on the transfer of the Crimea Province from the Russian SFSR to the Ukrainian SSR.


Israel too was created by SSSR so why don't you treat Palestine as a Free Country ?
What are you talking about? The partition for Israel and Palestine was created by the United Nations -all of them. The USSR voted for partition as did most European and American nations. The UK abstained. Palestine would have been a free country from the start if their Arab neighbours had supported partition. They voted against, and invaded the territory instead.

USA got so many gifts from Russians too.
Like Alaska WWII victory Cold War Victory.
The USA purchased Alaska from Russia in 1867 for $7.2 million. It was a transaction; not a gift.

The Second World War: ever hear of Lend-Lease?

In total, the US deliveries through Lend-Lease amounted to $11 billion in materials: over 400,000 jeeps and trucks; 12,000 armored vehicles (including 7,000 tanks, about 1,386[26] of which were M3 Lees and 4,102 M4 Shermans); 11,400 aircraft (4,719 of which were Bell P-39 Airacobras) and 1.75 million tons of food.

Roughly 17.5 million tons of military equipment, vehicles, industrial supplies, and food were shipped from the Western Hemisphere to the USSR, 94% coming from the US. For comparison, a total of 22 million tons landed in Europe to supply American forces from January 1942 to May 1945. It has been estimated that American deliveries to the USSR through the Persian Corridor alone were sufficient, by US Army standards, to maintain sixty combat divisions in the line.

The United States gave to the Soviet Union from October 1, 1941 to May 31, 1945 the following: 427,284 trucks, 13,303 combat vehicles, 35,170 motorcycles, 2,328 ordnance service vehicles, 2,670,371 tons of petroleum products (gasoline and oil), 4,478,116 tons of foodstuffs (canned meats, sugar, flour, salt, etc.), 1,900 steam locomotives, 66 Diesel locomotives, 9,920 flat cars, 1,000 dump cars, 120 tank cars, and 35 heavy machinery cars. One item typical of many was a tire plant that was lifted bodily from the Ford Company's River Rouge Plant and transferred to the USSR. The 1947 money value of the supplies and services amounted to about eleven billion dollars.

In accordance with the Anglo-Soviet Military Supplies Agreement of 27 June 1942, military aid sent from Britain to the Soviet Union during the war was entirely free of charge. In June 1941 within weeks of the German invasion of the USSR the first British aid convoy set off along the dangerous Arctic sea routes to Murmansk arriving in September. It was carrying 40 Hawker Hurricanes along with 550 mechanics and pilots of No. 151 Wing to provide immediate air defence of the port and train Soviet pilots. After escorting Soviet bombers and scoring 14 kills for one loss, and completing the training of pilots and mechanics, No 151 Wing left in November their mission complete. The convoy was the first of many convoys to Murmansk and Archangelsk in what became known as the Arctic convoys, the returning ships carried the gold that the USSR was using to pay the US. Between June 1941 and May 1945 3,000+ Hurricanes were delivered to the USSR along with 4,000+ other aircraft, 5,218 tanks, 5,000+ anti-tank guns, 4,020 ambulances and trucks, 323 machinery trucks, 2,560 bren carriers, 1,721 motorcycles, £1.15bn worth of aircraft engines and 15 million pairs of boots in total 4 million tonnes of war materials including food and medical supplies were delivered. The munitions totaled £308m (not including naval munitions supplied), the food and raw materials totaled £120m in 1946 index. Naval assets supplied included a battleship, 9 destroyers, 4 submarines, 5 mine sweepers, 9 trawler minesweepers, over 600 radar and sonar sets, 41 anti submarine batteries, several hundred naval guns and rocket batteries.

Significant numbers of British Churchill and Matilda tanks along with US M3 Lee were shipped to the USSR after becoming obsolete on the African Front. The Churchills, supplied by the arctic convoys, saw action in the siege of St Petersburg and the battle of Kursk while tanks shipped by the Persian route supplied the Caucasian Front. With the USSR giving priority to the defence of Moscow for domestically produced tanks this resulted in 40% of tanks in service on the Caucasian Front being Lend-Lease models.

The Arctic convoys caused major changes to naval dispositions on both sides, which arguably had a major impact on the course of events in other theatres of war. As a result of early raids by destroyers on German coastal shipping and the Commando raid on Vaagso, Hitler was led to believe that the British intended to invade Norway again. This, together with the obvious need to stop convoy supplies reaching the Soviet Union, caused him to direct that heavier ships, centred on the battleship Tirpitz, be sent to Norway. The Channel Dash was partly undertaken for this reason.

As a "fleet in being", Tirpitz and the other German capital ships tied down British resources which might have been better used elsewhere, for example combating the Japanese in the Indian Ocean. The success of Gneisenau and Scharnhorst in Operation Berlin during early 1941 had demonstrated the potential German threat. However, as the air gap over the North Atlantic closed, Huff-Duff (radio triangulation equipment) improved, airborne centimetric radar was introduced and convoys received escort carrier protection, the scope for commerce raiding diminished.


Courtesy of Wikipedia.

Again, victory in Europe was not a gift. A lot of British blood was spilled to get that equipment to Russia.

Victory in the Cold War? The USSR could not match spending on armaments that the Americans were undertaking. Simple. Gorbachev saw which way the wind was blowing and acted accordingly.

Give a devil a finger he will want your body? Not biblical at all, my friend. You are thinking of the foot in the door, the slippery slope, the camel's nose etc. The biblical expression is from Job 1:12: The Lord said to Satan, "Very well, then, everything he has is in your power, but on the man himself do not lay a finger." Then Satan went out from the presence of the Lord.

Here's another biblical expression for you, from John 8:7: Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.

Poland 1939, The Baltic States 1940, Finland 1940, Bessarabia 1940, Manchuria 1945, Kuril Islands 1945, Hungary 1956, Czechoslovakia 1968, Afghanistan 1979, Armenia 1990, Chechnya 1994 and 1999, Georgia 2008, and of course Crimea 2014. I don't think you can cast any stones, Green Guard.
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I think there's something a little extra in this months vodka. At least Ronald sort of made sense.
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Wink just sayin....

<coughs> Salutin' Putin: inside a Russian troll house | World news | The Guardian
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Green Guard, are you for real?
Of course he is. And as is so often the case, his reality is spelled T-R-O-L-L.
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"2. LOTS of Russians are ALREADY fighting and dying for Putin in Crimea."

nobody is dying in Crimea pal
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I don’t know if GG is a troll, but what he is saying is exactly what the majority of Russians believe, that NATO is a neo-nazi aggressor who is intent on war with the Holy Russian Empire. This what their Leader tells them to believe in constant propaganda on state TV (where 80% of Russians get their news, virtually nobody depends on the internet and is they do its Russian state sites). Here you learn of the evil Nato Nazis torturing, crucifying children and shooting prisoners - just like the German Nazi before them.

A large proportion of Russians think a war with NATO is inevitable and that a nuclear war can be won by Russia (because Europeans are homosexuals and paedophiles and therefore too effeminate to fight against "Real Men").

There is only one way to deal with such deluded, neo-fascist crazies; be prepared to defend ourselves.

nobody is dying in Crimea pal
Some Crimean Tartar's are, for refusing to accept Russian rule. They are being systematically persecuted.
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"2. LOTS of Russians are ALREADY fighting and dying for Putin in Crimea."

nobody is dying in Crimea pal
Guess I'm yet another puppet being fooled by Western news, er propaganda outlets.
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The propaganda about western democracy has been with us for long time now.
Your democracy is a simple demagogy, fueled by Hollywood so much so that even you start to believe in it.
If the "west" is so good healthy and happy, why do you produce so many wars around globe ?
Why poke the Russian bear now ?
Weren't you allies in WWII ?
Didn't they give you as a gift 3/4 of Berlin that you did not fight Hitler for ?
Didn't they give you whole of Yugoslavia as a gift in 1948 that Red Army liberated from Hitler ?
You wisely used Yugoslavia to cause Budapest and Prague uprising and eventually break up SSSR 4 decades later.
Main reason people in "east" fell victims of your propaganda also fueled by paradise in Yugoslavia at that time.
And as a reward as usual per your practice Yugoslavia was dismembered and ruined.
So the masks have been falling down lately.
The paradise you offer the world is simple hell.
Why else you tried to turn Crimea into your Army Base ?
So are you happy people or sick people ?

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Thank you KenV, I mean thanks for compliment.
 
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Post no.73:

I have read and re-read this several times and I still can't make any sense of it. I would be kind and say that it is possibly because English is not GG's first language, but then again...
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Your democracy is a simple demagogy, fueled by Hollywood so much so that even you start to believe in it.
Could you expand on that point please, just which bit do we believe in?
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Remember when Merkel said 'Putin was living on another planet'? well it applies to the general Russian population as well. Hitler did it with the Germans, you can very easily brainwash an entire nation with lies, but it helps if they are very keen to believe it.

If you want to understand their lunatic mindset, I sugguest reading websites like

The Interpreter

Putin Turns Up His Special War Against Europe | The XX Committee

http://www.interpretermag.com/someth...n-our-country/
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"Some Crimean Tartar's are, for refusing to accept Russian rule. They are being systematically persecuted."

why would they accept ukrainian rule but not russian(as it's basically same for them)? There are millions of Tatars living in Russia itself without any problems, stop believing propaganda.
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The Crimean Tatars were deported from Crimea in 1944- illegally under Soviet laws. When Ukraine became independent they CHOOSE to leave Russia.

Closed down their TV station
Crimea's independent Tatar TV news channel silenced by 'red tape' | World news | The Guardian

Banned their leader from Crimea
http://www.todayszaman.com/anasayfa_...ea_345793.html

Dissapearances and murders
http://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs...ssian-takeover

Back story


Since Russia illegally annexed Crimea just over a year ago, life for Crimean Tatars – the indigenous people of the Crimean peninsula – is no longer safe. They endured kidnapping, disappearance and persecution by authorities, which has forced about 10,000 Tatars to leave their homeland. Those who’ve stayed are facing political discrimination and wider mistreatment. The Kremlin’s most recent persecution of Crimean Tatars is only the latest chapter in a saga of Russian abuse that dates back 71 years.
This May marks the 71st anniversary of one of the gravest crimes perpetrated by the Soviet regime. In 1944, on the pretext of false accusations of state treason, Soviet leader Joseph Stalin ordered that 238,500 Tatars be forcibly deported from their homeland in Crimea as a form of collective punishment for their alleged collaboration with Nazis Germany from 1942 to 1943. The entire ethnic Crimean Tatar population, about one fifth of the total population of the Crimean Peninsula, as well as smaller number of ethnic Greeks and Bulgarians, were taken from their homes and transported mostly to Uzbekistan. Between July 1944 and January 1947, almost 110,000, or 46% of the deportees, died of starvation and disease. Many Tatars were made to work in large-scale projects implemented by the Soviet GULAG system.
In 1967, a Soviet decree withdrew Stalin’s baseless charges, but only in 1989 did the USSR Supreme Council declare the deportation of the Tatars illegal.
After the breakup of the Soviet Union in 1991, a newly independent Ukraine invited the ousted ethnic group to return to its homeland, providing the Tatars resources necessary for resettlement, as well as freedom to build mosques, schools, community centers, homes and businesses. The number of Crimean Tatars living in their native land gradually increased to 270,000, making up around 13% of Crimea’s population.
But now, yet again, Russia is aggressively making life miserable for Crimea’s populous, including its indigenous Tatars. Despite the unthinkable harm done and millions of innocent lives taken during his bloody regime, Stalin leadership is glorified in today’s Russia, and his modern day admirers are eager to follow in his footsteps.
In March of last year, the Kremlin staged a sham annexation “referendum” in Crimea to absorb the Ukrainian peninsula into Russia, following a hostile takeover by Russian military forces in unmarked uniforms. The vote – conducted while armed Russian soldiers stood by – has not been recognized by the United Nations.
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Tatar People – known as the Mejlis – decided to boycott the vote. According to Mustafa Dzhemilev, its long-time leader, almost all of his people ignored it. Their rejection brought them into conflict with the Kremlin and its puppet authorities in Crimea and consequences have been severe.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/forbesin...cupied-crimea/
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Interesting, very interesting. God knows where it will lead.

Of course, it is all propaganda, and the Imperialist Nazi West(TM), which is full of homosexuals and paedophiles, wants to crush the peace loving people of Russia. Good job Vladimir is there to stop us.

Good ol' Vlad.
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