Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > Aircrew Forums > Military Aviation
Reload this Page >

Remove before flight

Wikiposts
Search
Military Aviation A forum for the professionals who fly military hardware. Also for the backroom boys and girls who support the flying and maintain the equipment, and without whom nothing would ever leave the ground. All armies, navies and air forces of the world equally welcome here.

Remove before flight

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 22nd Jun 2015, 20:51
  #21 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Lincolnshire
Age: 54
Posts: 206
Received 2 Likes on 1 Post
Now I know what he was up to, he only landed because he had lost his duck...

Cat and Duck Method

Place a live cat on the cockpit floor. Because a cat always remains upright, it can be used instead of the artificial horizon. Simply watch which way the cat leans to determine if a wing is low, and if so, which one.
The duck is used for the instrument approach. Because any sensible duck will refuse to fly under instrument conditions, it is only necessary to hurl your duck out of the aircraft and follow it to the ground.

Limitation to Cat and Duck Method
Get a wide-awake cat. Most cats don't want to stand up at all. It may be necessary to carry a large dog in the cockpit to make the cat pay attention.
Make sure your cat is clean. Dirty cats spend all their time washing. Trying to follow a washing cat usually results in a snap roll followed by an inverted spin.
Use an old cat. Young cats still have many of their nine lives left, but an old cat has just as much to lose as you do and will be more dependable.
Avoid cowardly ducks. If the duck discovers you are using the cat to keep the wings level, it may refuse to leave without the cat. Ducks are no better at IMC than you are.
Make sure your duck has good eyesight. Nearsighted ducks may fail to realize they are on the gauges and go flailing off into the nearest mountain. Very nearsighted ducks may not realize they have been thrown from the aircraft and will descend to the ground in a sitting position. This is very difficult to follow in an airplane.
Use land-loving ducks. It is very discouraging to break out and find yourself on final to a rice paddy, especially if there are duck hunters around. Duck hunters suffer from temporary insanity after sitting in freezing blinds and will shoot at anything that flies.
Finally, choose your duck carefully. It's easy to confuse ducks with geese because many waterfowl look alike. Geese are competent instrument fliers, but they seldom go where you want them to. If your duck sets off for Canada or New Zealand, you can sure you've been given the goose.
DCThumb is offline  
Old 22nd Jun 2015, 21:46
  #22 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Southern Europe
Posts: 5,335
Received 17 Likes on 6 Posts
I used to subscribe to the cat and duck theory, but now you've shown me the limitations it's all got a bit too complicated. Instrument Flying suddenly seems a bit more simple. Unless it's limited panel UP recoveries.
Courtney Mil is offline  
Old 22nd Jun 2015, 21:49
  #23 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Southern Europe
Posts: 5,335
Received 17 Likes on 6 Posts
Erwin Schrödinger might have had something to say, sorry, think about this. If the girl in the aircraft hadn't looked at the cat, should it still have been safe?
Courtney Mil is offline  
Old 22nd Jun 2015, 21:56
  #24 (permalink)  
O-P
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Virginia
Posts: 192
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
DCT,


Thanks for that! Made I laugh.


What would happen if you could only find a fox and not a dog...well apart from duck and fox blood everywhere?
O-P is offline  
Old 22nd Jun 2015, 22:26
  #25 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Southern Europe
Posts: 5,335
Received 17 Likes on 6 Posts
I think I'll just go with the dog theory. Take a faithful old pal flying with you and whilst you're plummeting to a horrible death, he'll lick your face and take your mind off the inevitable fate that awaits you. Better to die flying and happy.
Courtney Mil is offline  
Old 23rd Jun 2015, 00:22
  #26 (permalink)  
Danny42C
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Schrödinger's Cat decided it was safer to be in the Box, after all.
 
Old 23rd Jun 2015, 00:24
  #27 (permalink)  
O-P
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Virginia
Posts: 192
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
CM,


I met your dogs at Leuchars, (the two red nutters) they wouldn't of had a clue what was happening...then again they'd have been more than happy on 43 with their soul mates!
O-P is offline  
Old 23rd Jun 2015, 00:46
  #28 (permalink)  
Danny42C
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
(Here's four more to while away the night)

Curiosity (nearly) Killed the Cat,

"Must have been raining Cats and Dogs, but the Dogs weren't as good at grabbing passing microlights....

(Amendment to Pilot's Notes): Additional Vital Action before Take-Off: Secure all Loose Cats !

Felix (ask Grandad) got tired of walking, and decided that this was a better way. Has now decided not to do so again.
 
Old 23rd Jun 2015, 22:27
  #29 (permalink)  
Danny42C
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Thinking about the "flying cat" story, and after many witty captions have been suggested, it occurs to me that some fabric under a couple of small dural tubes is an uncomfortable spot for any cat to choose to sit. In any case, it would have been impossible for the animal to get up there once the aircraft was moving, therefore it got up while it was stationary (presumably as a warm spot in the sun).

Cats are not stupid. Once the engine had started (certainly after the aircraft started to move), any cat I know would have jumped off its perch. If it got up there, it would certainly have been able to jump down.

Could it be that the cat was deliberately taken up there, and then placed in its perilous position before filming started? (Note that the filming starts leaving the ground, not from the beginning of the roll - I must admit that that would be a tricky operation), just to make an amusing bit of video ? That would be cruel; the animal would be terrified out of it wits, and could have fallen off to its death.

I sincerely hope I'm wrong, for otherwise it sounds like a case for the RSPCA. What do other PPRuNers think ?

Danny42C
 
Old 24th Jun 2015, 00:00
  #30 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Canada
Age: 63
Posts: 5,202
Received 133 Likes on 60 Posts
RSPCA........ Would that be the Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Aeroplanes ?
Big Pistons Forever is offline  
Old 24th Jun 2015, 11:53
  #31 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Next to Ross and Demelza
Age: 53
Posts: 1,231
Received 50 Likes on 19 Posts
Cats will make themselves comfortable in the most uncomfortable of places, and I would imagine it was a lovely, warm place to have a snooze. After its initial shock, it did seem remarkably composed to sit there with the wind ruffling its fur.
Martin the Martian is offline  
Old 24th Jun 2015, 15:58
  #32 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Baston
Posts: 3,257
Received 640 Likes on 231 Posts
Worth the CAT ASS Trophy surely?
langleybaston is online now  
Old 24th Jun 2015, 16:04
  #33 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: East Sussex UK
Age: 66
Posts: 6,995
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Is Master Green still a mil instrument CAT or just the cat's name
CoffmanStarter is offline  
Old 24th Jun 2015, 18:21
  #34 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Southern Europe
Posts: 5,335
Received 17 Likes on 6 Posts
Coff, I had three instrument ratings. Cello, guitar and piano. All of the rated terrible.
Courtney Mil is offline  
Old 24th Jun 2015, 23:08
  #35 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: South of the M4
Posts: 1,638
Received 15 Likes on 6 Posts
Courtney Mil & Danny42C

Latest theory argues that gravity would kill Schrödinger's cat whether its here, there or wherever! See here: Gravity Kills Schrödinger's Cat - Scientific American
Warmtoast is offline  
Old 25th Jun 2015, 00:44
  #36 (permalink)  
Danny42C
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Warmtoast,

Whether or not gravity might have killed Schrödinger's cat, it would certainly have put paid to this puss had it dropped off in the circuit !

Danny.
 

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.