Second rear windscreen in Harrier
I suppose it has to be self supporting. The Hawk blast screen is fixed inside the canopy and the Jaguar cockpits were much further apart with a lot more structure than just a screen between the 2 canopies.
The T2/4/8 rear screens were identical - the T10 canopy arrangement was very different - the T2/4/8 rear cockpit was small/cramped - I never flew in either but did do back seat on many engine runzzzzzz on tin wing and plastic pig 2 seaters.... the T10 rear cockpit/canopy layout was far superior and much more 'open'.
The tinwing front canopy always seemed a little 'flimsy' - partly because it was so big and because of the relative positions of the 2 seats - I always assumed that the rear occupant would need good protection from birds and possibly runway barrier/wire !
The tinwing front canopy always seemed a little 'flimsy' - partly because it was so big and because of the relative positions of the 2 seats - I always assumed that the rear occupant would need good protection from birds and possibly runway barrier/wire !
I have to say that although I the discussion about the T2 Harrier is more interesting and I don't want to hijack the thread, I am also interested how the Thatcher press secretary at the time (was it Bernard Ingham) authorised and organised that photo. Presumably Mrs T was wearing her normal formal attire of the time, which would not have been very suitable for slipping into such a tight cockpit (narf narf). So how was the protocol?
Just to be clear, the cockpit section that Buster H. posted above, while it does show the additional windscreen well, is not displayed with flight representative transparacies. This appears to be salvaged cockpit section with simple tranparancies fitted as a home done project, and some additional braces put into place (an extra pillar in both the front an rear cockpits). Likely simple plexigas than can only be bent in one dimension, not the complex, "blown" clear canopy on a real Harrier Mk. 2/4/8. Not a criticism of the cockpit project or the poster at all- just don't want anyone to think these are how the "real" first generation twin seat canopies looked.
Here is one of the smartest looking two seaters, note the very long front transparancy and curves. I am sure someone here is quite familiar with this one....
http://www.airvectors.net/avav8_3_08.jpg
Here is one of the smartest looking two seaters, note the very long front transparancy and curves. I am sure someone here is quite familiar with this one....
http://www.airvectors.net/avav8_3_08.jpg
Last edited by sandiego89; 11th Jun 2015 at 18:55.
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Cheers sd89. Don't profess to know anything at all about the topic but saw the image & hoped it would contribute to the conversation.
Appreciate your clarification.
Appreciate your clarification.
Scroll down to see a better photo with Raymond Baxter in the rear seat.
http://www.airdisplaymuseum.com/Pages/JohnFarley.aspx
http://www.airdisplaymuseum.com/Pages/JohnFarley.aspx
1. What is the story behind the "Brazil Shed" photos?
2. What is the story behind your logbook entry for Nov 20, 1964 - "HP115 Accident Photy"?
Yes it did. It was called the blast screen to protect the Nav primarily in the event of a bird strike. It protected Bobby Poots at 550 kts and at 100 ft on the run in to Garvie when he thought the pilot was incapacitated following a gull strike on the front canopy. However..........(there's another story) 
