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If you don't want to quote the whole thing, there is another way.
As many do, copy the section you want to use as a quote, click the little quote icon (looks like a speech bubble at the top of the box you type your reply into and copy the quote between the two sets of square brackets.
Then, after the [quote but before the closing square bracket ] type =name-of-the-nob-your-quoting. An equals sign followed by the person's name. PPRuNe will do the rest.
Hmmm, I couldn't have made that more confusing if I'd tried.
Make it look like this, but use square brackets instead of round ones...
(Quote=user-name)text you want to share(/quote)
It's the "=username" that does the trick.
If you don't want to quote the whole thing, there is another way.
As many do, copy the section you want to use as a quote, click the little quote icon (looks like a speech bubble at the top of the box you type your reply into and copy the quote between the two sets of square brackets.
Then, after the [quote but before the closing square bracket ] type =name-of-the-nob-your-quoting. An equals sign followed by the person's name. PPRuNe will do the rest.
Hmmm, I couldn't have made that more confusing if I'd tried.
Make it look like this, but use square brackets instead of round ones...
(Quote=user-name)text you want to share(/quote)
It's the "=username" that does the trick.
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The 'reply' button at the bottom right of previous posts - including the one you wish to quote - should turn from 'reply' to 'quote'
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There are RN FCs in the E3D, and there was a time when, apparently, a RN AAWO could qualify to act as a Mission Director in the E3D as well. I know of several 'GL' Observers who were submariners as their first draft.
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Tourist, I have tried to resist responding to your incorrect assumptions of me but you persist. I was going to debunk these however I do not wish to drag the debate down, I would just like to ask that you read other peoples posts carefully and stop posting things that have not been said or insinuated by them.
Andyy, no need for apologies. I was just dismayed by the lack of knowledge by some of those who seemed so certain of how to fix issues that never previously existed.
I'm sorry but Pprune is not the place to put more meat on the bones of what we did, how we did it or how we will do it in the MPA world. I tried to provide some perspective for the good ideas club based on facts, knowledge and experience, but Pprune wouldn't be so entertaining if it wasn't for the various opinions.
Perhaps there should be a TLA for the opposite of SME, PME (Pprune Matter Expert)?
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Andyy, no need for apologies. I was just dismayed by the lack of knowledge by some of those who seemed so certain of how to fix issues that never previously existed.
I'm sorry but Pprune is not the place to put more meat on the bones of what we did, how we did it or how we will do it in the MPA world. I tried to provide some perspective for the good ideas club based on facts, knowledge and experience, but Pprune wouldn't be so entertaining if it wasn't for the various opinions.
Perhaps there should be a TLA for the opposite of SME, PME (Pprune Matter Expert)?
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"There are RN FCs in the E3D, and there was a time when, apparently, a RN AAWO could qualify to act as a Mission Director in the E3D as well. I know of several 'GL' Observers who were submariners as their first draft".
There were originally four "exchange" slots for RN personnel, including the Tactical Director post. However, the E-3D mission crew hierarchy has a policy of progression through the seats with all personnel starting at the bottom and then qualifying through crew positions to finally reach TD. The RN did not wish one of their PWOs to start as a tracker and therefore declined this post - they also cut back on a second post (possibly the Surveillance Controller in charge of the surveillance functions of the aircraft). They finally took two posts - one of the weapons controller slots and a SNCO who was sent to the Mission Briefing Flight in Ops Support Squadron.
There were originally four "exchange" slots for RN personnel, including the Tactical Director post. However, the E-3D mission crew hierarchy has a policy of progression through the seats with all personnel starting at the bottom and then qualifying through crew positions to finally reach TD. The RN did not wish one of their PWOs to start as a tracker and therefore declined this post - they also cut back on a second post (possibly the Surveillance Controller in charge of the surveillance functions of the aircraft). They finally took two posts - one of the weapons controller slots and a SNCO who was sent to the Mission Briefing Flight in Ops Support Squadron.
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Apologies, I thought it was handy and well understood term that was reasonably succinct. Must try harder I guess, and remember where I am.
Do not worry, ever since Surplus has been on here, he has been trying to slip the words Cucumber and Wheelbarrow in, but has yet to have the opportunity.
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Apologies, I thought it was handy and well understood term that was reasonably succinct. Must try harder I guess, and remember where I am.
Do not worry, ever since Surplus has been on here, he has been trying to slip the words Cucumber and Wheelbarrow in, but has yet to have the opportunity.
Funnily enough, Google has never heard of the phrase 'manageable delivery drumbeat (at least in the top few pages - got bored after that), unless it's to do with percussion instruments.
Fincastle Competition is available on Google, in case you were unsure what it is.
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And one more way.
Go to the foot of the webpage. You will probably see, at bottom left
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The 'reply' button at the bottom right of previous posts - including the one you wish to quote - should turn from 'reply' to 'quote'
Click that, and one of your parents has a sibling called Robert. Quote and post away...
(I am not sure if this affects advertising revenue for Pprune, so after I've quoted, I make sure that I turn it back to ---Pprune vB3 Googleads Style just so that I'm not accidentally denying the site revenue by having it on permanently; doing this still takes less time and fuss (at least for me), so I hope that anyone doing this would adopt the same approach, just in case)
Go to the foot of the webpage. You will probably see, at bottom left
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Click on the down arrow to the right of the text, and a drop down menu appears.
Sinlge left click on either
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The 'reply' button at the bottom right of previous posts - including the one you wish to quote - should turn from 'reply' to 'quote'
Click that, and one of your parents has a sibling called Robert. Quote and post away...
(I am not sure if this affects advertising revenue for Pprune, so after I've quoted, I make sure that I turn it back to ---Pprune vB3 Googleads Style just so that I'm not accidentally denying the site revenue by having it on permanently; doing this still takes less time and fuss (at least for me), so I hope that anyone doing this would adopt the same approach, just in case)
Oohhh clever!
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"What is the Seedcorn project about (and been funded for) if it's not about providing a nucleus with which to rebuild an RAF-led long range ASW fleet? Indeed, many of them are already operating P8s!"
It should be about providing a nucleus with which to rebuild a UK long range ASW fleet. Who should operate it should be looked at carefully without historical preconceptions and tribal empire building. To me, as a neutral onlooker, it seems logical that it should be RN led, as in the rest of the world's armed forces.
It should be about providing a nucleus with which to rebuild a UK long range ASW fleet. Who should operate it should be looked at carefully without historical preconceptions and tribal empire building. To me, as a neutral onlooker, it seems logical that it should be RN led, as in the rest of the world's armed forces.
If you leave to one side the historical preconceptions, the P8 falls firmly into the lap of the RAF to operate it. In terms of who 'leads' it, whilst on ASW or ASuW missions, the MCC will have OPCON of it, no change there. When on ISR missions, the ACC will have OPCON of it. Still no change. There is a bit of a 1916 attitude throughout this thread from the RN guys.
It's the RAF's job to operate aircraft to protect the nations interests from the air. The argument that because MPA conduct their business over the sea, it should be RN operated is as daft as suggesting that as the T45's job is to destroy aircraft, it should be manned and operated by airmen! It's the environment that you operate in, not the adversary you are pitched against that determines who gets to 'do' it. This is an argument that was put to bed about 100 years ago! There are now 3 environments! Not 2!!!!
The FAA's job is to support the RN by operating aircraft off ships. That's why they came into being as part of the RAF in 1924, and were granted independence from the RAF in 1939. Will the P8 ever operate off a ship? No! The lack of recognition by the RN, and to some extent the AAC, that its the RAF's job to do the flying, except with a few niche specialists that add value to their individual services, demonstrates to all that they don't quite get Air Power, and only strengthens the RAF's position.
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What a load of tosh.
Your entire argument is rubbish and childish.
I'm not saying that the RN should operate it, there are many arguments either way, but the reasons are nothing so silly as you suggest.
In the current environment the FAA has no experience of the MPA role aside from read across from pingers, so it probably makes sense that the RAF own the fleet.
That is nothing to do with parochial reasons such as yours.
Other countries successfully work it the other way round, so there is no natural realm it belongs in.
"The FAA's job is to support the RN by operating aircraft off ships."
Twaddle.
The Junglies are there to support the Marines who are there to support etc etc etc...
Your entire argument is rubbish and childish.
I'm not saying that the RN should operate it, there are many arguments either way, but the reasons are nothing so silly as you suggest.
In the current environment the FAA has no experience of the MPA role aside from read across from pingers, so it probably makes sense that the RAF own the fleet.
That is nothing to do with parochial reasons such as yours.
Other countries successfully work it the other way round, so there is no natural realm it belongs in.
"The FAA's job is to support the RN by operating aircraft off ships."
Twaddle.
The Junglies are there to support the Marines who are there to support etc etc etc...
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hmm, no my point is that all the parts of the uk military are there to support some other parts of the bigger picture, rather than the RAF is there for the air, RN for the sea, army for land.
Back in '81, there was a Nimrod doing hot weather trials at NAS Corpus Christi where I was in training. I got to sit in on the brief and debrief, and to go on board for a surveillance sortie over the Gulf of Mexico. A few of the winged aviators, instructors, were invited up on to the flight deck with the plane commander, but we students were not.
One of the navs showed those of us in the back a digital radar display that I think was a precursor to ISAR, or in the same family. (Based on the ISAR I worked with ten years later in Seahawks). The actual purposes of the test as I remember it was was to exercise the environmental control systems, since Corpus Christi is notorious for being hot and humid in July and August. As it turns out, that particular month was not as hot and humid as they had hoped for their tests.
My memory may be shot, but I recall that the Nimrod was operated by the RAF. If it was the RN, we'll chalk that up to my memory going bad.
One of the navs showed those of us in the back a digital radar display that I think was a precursor to ISAR, or in the same family. (Based on the ISAR I worked with ten years later in Seahawks). The actual purposes of the test as I remember it was was to exercise the environmental control systems, since Corpus Christi is notorious for being hot and humid in July and August. As it turns out, that particular month was not as hot and humid as they had hoped for their tests.
My memory may be shot, but I recall that the Nimrod was operated by the RAF. If it was the RN, we'll chalk that up to my memory going bad.
Good to know the memory isn't utterly shot.
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To amplify what WD said, the first RN in to Mission Briefing was a FS or Warrant equivalent. He was originally intended for the Mission Sim and would have been a valuable source of maritime air defence. However this is an exchange and the equivalent rank from the then Fighter Control branch was an administrator rather than an operator so there was no suitable ground branch person for the exchange hence his employment as a briefer.
The order and back up facilities are very good news for the Moray area and are being talked up as such by the SNP. But:- What happens when indyref2 is looking like happening? How far down the £100m(facilities)road do the UK government go before pulling the plug?
Mrs May's references to the Union in her speech probably didn't go down well in nationalist circles.
Mrs May's references to the Union in her speech probably didn't go down well in nationalist circles.
There was an RN observer who finished the Nimrod OCU in '74 (Rory....?). He was very good. Can't remember which squadron he went to, but I don't recall any other dark blues on Nimrods.