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A10's to be sold on?

Old 4th Jun 2015, 22:49
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Hasn't the A-10 strafed quite a few friendlies.. ?
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Old 4th Jun 2015, 23:13
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Mate, you're absolutely right, of course, there have been blue on blues, I knew personally one of the fusiliers involved in Gulf 1, I also know AH drivers that have been involved, mistakes happen and I wouldn't pretend otherwise, but, to be clear, CAS is not a skill that can be switched off and suddenly back on, when doing missions in Herrick I would always nag my oppo to look out the window! SA is what ultimately will help those that need you to be on the money. As I've said, if A10 goes fine, but it's a mistake.
And ref trade off, I'm not a mug, i know it happens, but I flew Lynx in Iraq, and adequate would be over selling how pathetic That airframe was, I then flew a world class bit of kit for a while and just loved being able to help people, no better reward than saving guys and gals with the right equipment. It can be done. It just needs some balls.
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RTL,
You expect to find balls amongst those who ultimately make the decisions - politicians? Good luck.
Sorry to appear cynical, but certain first-hand experiences during the Vietnam debacle are responsible for that.
Hindsight is also helpful when forming opinions.
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Old 7th Jun 2015, 11:25
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Interesting film

Fighter Pilot University :: A-10 Replacement?
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Old 7th Jun 2015, 18:53
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I see "Bulwark" has "rescued" another thousand (to be offloaded with a single ticket to Calais each ?)

And the next thousand have their tickets booked and waiting for the next ship.

As this now seems to be a regular transit route into Europe for (potentially) all the peoples of Africa (and beyond) with a laudable wish for a better life, and a money-spinner for the travel agents (ISIL), might a better idea be to choke it off at point of embarkation.

Anybody with a better idea ?

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I see they are now getting offshore then sending out distress calls so we now go and collect them, saves the bloody smugglers having to do their job.

Personally, I would tow them back to Libya, or use the landing craft to return them, until you do start returning them to the departure point and that gets around the camps that they will be returned and not make it to Europe, the situation will never improve.
Those returned are not going to make the trip again as their monies will have been used the first time, and the fact they will be returned will put off others
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Old 8th Jun 2015, 08:48
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GeeRam (#73) and Davef68 (#75),

On second thoughts, my dash to don the dunce's cap (#74) may have been premature ! Of course we used them, but all the "....Hawk" tribe were as American as Old Glory * (or "motherhood and apple pie"). AFAIK, the Allison pistons were never fitted to a British aircraft design.

(Note *: if you want to explain our Monarchy to an American, just tell him that it is to us what the "Stars and Stripes" is to him. Most will "get it" at once).

Generally, on the contentious business of "Blue on Blue", the definitive answer was given at the time of the Falklands war by an Army spokesman on the BBC: "There has never been a war in which this has not happened", and, I venture to add: "And never will be". (Infinitely regrettable, but true).

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Hasn't the A-10 strafed quite a few friendlies.. ?
Really? The airplane did it all on its own?

No, it was the pilot. And the pilot perchance received faulty intel, faulty targeting data. In which case he could have been flying a Spad (either WWI or Vietnam vintage) or an A-36 or AH-64 when the friendly fire happened.
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Old 24th Jun 2015, 02:54
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Topgas,

I would like to say a belated "Thank you" for your kind remarks on the "A-10s to be sold on" Thread (your #47 of 28th May).

One of our attacks on the Jap L.o.C. at Imphal was unique, as it was the only one in which individual success could be attributed. Let me explain:

The VV tactical formation was a box-of-six, this went into echelon starboard 30 secs before the dive, then "follow-my-leader" in some 5 sec intervals, dive and bomb. In solid jungle, the leader bombed a spot marked with a mortar smoke-bomb by the army, but in this instance he was visually targeting a narrow hill road traversing a steep hillside, which the Japs were using to resupply. But our forward troops were near enough to observe results through binoculars, though they did not need to mark any particular spot on the road - any big hole would do.

Normally, the leader's bombs throw up such a cloud of dust and smoke that No.2 simply bombs the centre of the cloud, and all the others have to do the same, but each time the cloud gets bigger and the bombing less accurate. But here the angle of the slope was such that a small lateral error (for obviously we bombed along the line of the road) would be magnified by the slope so that the individual bomb flashes could be "marked". 1 to 5 missed the single-track road, some narrowly above (which would at least bring down a few tons of earth, but which can be quickly cleared), or harmlessly below.

No.6 (modesty forbids), more by good luck than good judgment) put his two 500s and one of his two 250s into the road, making a hole which would need weeks to repair (and the Japs did not have weeks). The Army passed their warm congratulations back to 110 Sqdn at Khumbirgram.

You can't lose 'em all !

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AFAIK, the Allison pistons were never fitted to a British aircraft design
Technically correct Danny, but the P-51 was designed to fill a British contract, the Brits paid for that, the development and purchased some 600 aircraft prior to the US sitting up and taking notice. The Brits also provided the Meredith system for the cooling system, and a Brit aerodynamics' chap sorted out the overheating problems. So, could be said the design was a joint US/Brit, even if the Brit contribution was minor in the scheme of things. Oh, and Allison engine of course. Without the Brits the aircraft would not have existed.
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