Nuclear death traps.
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Nuclear death traps.
Young lad has spilled the beans about the RNs nuclear detergent and how pants it is.
Trident whistleblower needs to be listened to, even if he is exaggerating | UK news | The Guardian
Thinks he's legged it and gone on the run. I actually believe some of what he is saying...(based solely on my 30 years in the RN btw) which is er, pretty disastrous when you think about it. RN safety should be 100%, but it isn't.
Sooner we bin trident safely and for ever, the better.
Trident whistleblower needs to be listened to, even if he is exaggerating | UK news | The Guardian
Thinks he's legged it and gone on the run. I actually believe some of what he is saying...(based solely on my 30 years in the RN btw) which is er, pretty disastrous when you think about it. RN safety should be 100%, but it isn't.
Sooner we bin trident safely and for ever, the better.
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Hangarshuffle,
I'd bow to your knowledge and experience on this one as it's difficult for an outsider like me to know which parts of his 18 page account (which I've read) are likely to be rubbish or genuine.
I'd bow to your knowledge and experience on this one as it's difficult for an outsider like me to know which parts of his 18 page account (which I've read) are likely to be rubbish or genuine.
It's a combination of 3rd hand dits (and frankly if he thinks they're the best ones, he missed more than a few) and the observation of the compromises made to keep any ultra-complex vessel at sea. Would I love to go without any engineering defects - obviously. Will I go with them - of course.
Of course, this continues to make the case for a 4 SSBN replacement for the V Class.
Of course, this continues to make the case for a 4 SSBN replacement for the V Class.
It will surprise no one posting on the Military aviation forums that operational requirements must sometimes superseed normal operational safety requirements. I spent a good few years in a job where balancing safe operation, carrying snags, was balanced against peacetime operating norms. It strikes me that this young man has decided that the indifference of his superiors to his "reports" meant he felt strongly enough to go public with them. How much simpler this would have been if his concerns were dealt with in a serious manner, and answered properly, instead of what appears to be telling him to "wind his neck in" as it was above his pay grade. But then, shooting the messenger is nothing new.
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The worrying thing is that the account reads very much as being honestly and accurately written. Carrying snags is nothing new, but the decision to do so should be made by a properly SQEP'd and authorised individual and then appropriately documented. None of that sounds the case here.
Well, the original 8 page document has been deleted from your link, Hangarshuffle. Do you have a copy so that we can debate this?
All the Guardian article suggests is that the UK's nuclear deterrent needs to be handed back to the Royal Air Force. If Rafale can do it, I'm sure Typhoon can manage. Then we would hardly need the RN at all.
All the Guardian article suggests is that the UK's nuclear deterrent needs to be handed back to the Royal Air Force. If Rafale can do it, I'm sure Typhoon can manage. Then we would hardly need the RN at all.
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Well, the original 8 page document has been deleted from your link,
Hangarshuffle. Do you have a copy so that we can debate this?
Hangarshuffle. Do you have a copy so that we can debate this?
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There's a distinct smell of political motivation in this whole affair.
From the comments attributed to McNeilly himself, “Security at the site must [be] heightened immediately whether you make the transition to nuclear disarmament or not."
To the speed with which the local SNP MP has jumped on an uncorroborated report, referred to elsewhere in this thread as, "a combination of 3rd hand dits."
Something doesn't sit right at all...
From the comments attributed to McNeilly himself, “Security at the site must [be] heightened immediately whether you make the transition to nuclear disarmament or not."
To the speed with which the local SNP MP has jumped on an uncorroborated report, referred to elsewhere in this thread as, "a combination of 3rd hand dits."
Something doesn't sit right at all...
Its on wikileaks, read it this morning......
It's a bit yes but, no but , yes but......... vicky pollardesgue dit.
It seems like a venting of issues with a crayon, but if some of it is true then things are not as tight as they should be, especially as not so long ago a crew member did go postal on board.
I don't think the buckets of sunshine are at risk, but the denials are getting a little bit patronising i.e. pat on the head and carry on don't worry your little head, grown ups talking
It's a bit yes but, no but , yes but......... vicky pollardesgue dit.
It seems like a venting of issues with a crayon, but if some of it is true then things are not as tight as they should be, especially as not so long ago a crew member did go postal on board.
I don't think the buckets of sunshine are at risk, but the denials are getting a little bit patronising i.e. pat on the head and carry on don't worry your little head, grown ups talking
I'm amazed that an Able Seaman has so much access to the security vetting and/or checking of anyone.
Does anyone have a link to a current copy of his document? Without it we're just discussing a Guardian article.
Does anyone have a link to a current copy of his document? Without it we're just discussing a Guardian article.
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Copy at following link.
http://cryptome.org/2015/05/william-mcneilly.pdf
http://cryptome.org/2015/05/william-mcneilly-2.pdf
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Well, the original 8 page document has been deleted from your link, Hangarshuffle. Do you have a copy so that we can debate this?
http://cryptome.org/2015/05/william-mcneilly.pdf
http://cryptome.org/2015/05/william-mcneilly-2.pdf
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He is just an anti nuclear nut job.
He states at one point that the time for nuclear deterrence is past and that nuclear weapons should be dismantled
A man with an agenda!
He states at one point that the time for nuclear deterrence is past and that nuclear weapons should be dismantled
A man with an agenda!
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By post #8 we have the start of an RAF vs RN points scoring !
As a civilian with access to a military installation I have far more regard for the apparently low key security of the military than I have for the very visible joke of airport security that I endure each working day.
This so called report may have some items of truth in it but I suspect that replying to the accusations in detail would comprise the low key way military security is conducted.
As a civilian with access to a military installation I have far more regard for the apparently low key security of the military than I have for the very visible joke of airport security that I endure each working day.
This so called report may have some items of truth in it but I suspect that replying to the accusations in detail would comprise the low key way military security is conducted.
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