OSPREY INCIDENT HAWAII

[KPax]

Just read about the CV22 incident in Hawaii, RIP, thoughts go out to your family and to the others who appear to have been injured.

[Lonewolf_50]

Originally Posted by KPax

Just read about the CV22 incident in Hawaii, RIP, thoughts go out to your family and to the others who appear to have been injured.

U.S. Marines: 1 killed, others hurt in Hawaii military aircraft crash - CBS News

An early news report. 1 fatality, 21 injured.

[sandiego89]

Correction to first post, appears to involve a MV-22, not a "CV".

US Marines use the MV, US Air Force CV. A subtle, but important distinction.

All the best to those involved.

[West Coast]

Osprey down in Hawaii. one dead.

One Marine dead in Osprey crash at Bellows | Local News - Home

[airsound]

Hawaii News Now has some actual footage of the crash - about 44 seconds in to the video report by Allyson Blair.
1 killed, 21 injured in Osprey crash at Bellows Air Force Statio - Hawaii News Now - KGMB and KHNL
Doesn't look like there was any fire before the impact. And the aircraft seems not to be obscured in a dust cloud.

Defense-Aerospace has a good selection of media reports, including about how the Japanese are not keen on MV-22s continuing to operate in Okinawa.
Ripples from Osprey Crash Reach Japan

airsound

[megan]

Downwind and unable to arrest the rate of descent?

[dat581]

The MV-22 has a much lower accident rate than thr CH-46 it replaced and the Japanese are whinging?

[rh200]

The MV-22 has a much lower accident rate than thr CH-46 it replaced and the Japanese are whinging?

The locals are on a political drive, hence its just ammo.

[TBM-Legend]

The Japanese are buying some MV-22's....

I guess "red dots" on the side will appease those naysayers!

[turboshaft]

Originally Posted by dat581

The MV-22 has a much lower accident rate than the CH-46 it replaced

For every 100,000 flight hours, the Osprey has had 3.2 mishaps involving loss of life or damage exceeding $2 million, Marine spokesman Capt. Ty Balzer said in an email. That compares with a rate of 2.98 per 100,000 flight hours for the CH-46 Sea Knight helicopters the Ospreys are replacing.

Maybe a different metric provides a different spin?

[rh200]

Maybe a different metric provides a different spin?

Yes we can get into a pingpong match, but that in itself is a statement which part of a longer one. I also believe there was a qualifier on the end of that which puts it in context.

All metrics are useless unless the context precise means of compilation are taken into account, or known.

[Two's in]

All metrics are useless unless the context precise means of compilation are taken into account, or known.

Indeed. Comparing the accident rate for an aircraft at the end of a 50 year "bath tub" curve with one relatively near the beginning of its operational life is not a necessarily meaningful exercise. But then statistics aren't usually quoted to inform are they?