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Aircrew Outbrief
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Trying not to re-invent the wheel....
Working at a unit with new toys and we think we need an outbrief to catch errors, make sure we have a refuellling card!! etc.
Anyone have a favourite from their SQN? The aircraft is a T6C Texan II. Especially like to here from Tucano drivers as the types are similar in performance and I have fond memories of Linton!
Many thanks in advance.
Trying not to re-invent the wheel....
Working at a unit with new toys and we think we need an outbrief to catch errors, make sure we have a refuellling card!! etc.
Anyone have a favourite from their SQN? The aircraft is a T6C Texan II. Especially like to here from Tucano drivers as the types are similar in performance and I have fond memories of Linton!
Many thanks in advance.
Only borderline useful comment I can offer is, whatever outbrief you devise, encourage crews to do everything on it before outbriefing rather than "Tech Log - I'll do that when I walk...CADS - I'll just check that in a moment...NOTAMs - I'll go past Flight Planning on my way to the line" etc etc
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Assuming that they're pretty much standard across the FJ community: The crew, or formation, present themselves at the Auth's desk where they will, depending on their status, either self-authorise their flight, or be authorised by...the authorising officer. This following an interchange regarding route, sortie detail, update of late warnings/NOTAMs/weather en-route and for recovery/diversions, scrutiny of proposed route (to ensure JO Bloggs has all the relevant NOTAMS plotted, and that the planned route avoids them).
Crews not self-authorising should additionally be given specific instructions not to crash, thereby minimising the Auth's exposure to potential censure should the nastiness occur.
In other words, it's a final sanity check for both the crew(s) and the Authorising officer
Mister B
Assuming that they're pretty much standard across the FJ community: The crew, or formation, present themselves at the Auth's desk where they will, depending on their status, either self-authorise their flight, or be authorised by...the authorising officer. This following an interchange regarding route, sortie detail, update of late warnings/NOTAMs/weather en-route and for recovery/diversions, scrutiny of proposed route (to ensure JO Bloggs has all the relevant NOTAMS plotted, and that the planned route avoids them).
Crews not self-authorising should additionally be given specific instructions not to crash, thereby minimising the Auth's exposure to potential censure should the nastiness occur.
In other words, it's a final sanity check for both the crew(s) and the Authorising officer
Mister B
Outbrief
I hadn't heard the term 'outbrief' and some-how managed to avoid crashing for 25 years until one day a batch of shiny keen young types arrived on the Squadron full of shiny new ideas and phrases. A pity that the keen upwardly mobile thrusters in training command (or whatever it was called by then) didn't let the operators into their brave new world of BS first. 
I suspect all those old-sweats commenting how "it were all different in my day" had something like a 'pre-walk' list they mentally actioned? Or even something as tangible as a 'check-list' sellotaped to the cover of the book containing the auth-sheets? Maybe all the sky-gods on here were so sure they had completed all the necessary, they didn't bother with such trivia? 
Perhaps that was why there were so many "I learnt about flying from that" stories in Air Clues in those days....
Back to the subject of the "outbrief" in modern times - the ones I saw/used were multi ones so not really applicable for the case in hand here. Wasn't there one included in the Flight Authoriser Course (FlaC) notes?
Perhaps that was why there were so many "I learnt about flying from that" stories in Air Clues in those days....Back to the subject of the "outbrief" in modern times - the ones I saw/used were multi ones so not really applicable for the case in hand here. Wasn't there one included in the Flight Authoriser Course (FlaC) notes?
Sandy P
the most succinct, perhaps not the best, 'outbrief' I witnessed, on a GSU check ride no less, 'somewhere in Germany' circa 1975, went "OK, weathers epic, the army's dildoing aroond as usual, lets go"!
Tell that to the youth of today......etc
the most succinct, perhaps not the best, 'outbrief' I witnessed, on a GSU check ride no less, 'somewhere in Germany' circa 1975, went "OK, weathers epic, the army's dildoing aroond as usual, lets go"!
Tell that to the youth of today......etc
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With the cutbacks couldnt the outbriefing be outsourced? Or simply use the standard, "Kick the tires {tyres} light the fires, first one of is leader, brief on gaurd" It worked every time for 3,000hours, why change it?
Crews not self-authorising should additionally be given specific instructions not to crash, thereby minimising the Auth's exposure to potential censure should the nastiness occur.
Had this busy exercise outbrief (as#4) once
Auth: "Get your 4-ship airborne now, tanker's on towline 5"
Lead: "Outbrief?"
Auth: "Don't crash, don't die"
Lead: "Didn't know you cared!?"
Auth: "I don't; there's just too much paperwork"
Auth: "Get your 4-ship airborne now, tanker's on towline 5"
Lead: "Outbrief?"
Auth: "Don't crash, don't die"
Lead: "Didn't know you cared!?"
Auth: "I don't; there's just too much paperwork"
I suspect all those old-sweats commenting how "it were all different in my day" had something like a 'pre-walk' list they mentally actioned? Or even something as tangible as a 'check-list' sellotaped to the cover of the book containing the auth-sheets? Maybe all the sky-gods on here were so sure they had completed all the necessary, they didn't bother with such trivia?
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Well, no. We had a briefing, in the briefing room, which covered the tasking and all requirements pertaining to that task. We then signed the 700 on the way to the aircraft and got airborne after carrying out proper start procedures (15 minutes needed for the ASW Sea King, so we weren't as cavalier as some would believe).
Still not sure why an 'outbrief' is needed if you have a proper briefing in the first place, but I admit to being an old-sweat from a simpler time, not subjected to the OH&S and second guessing that seems to go on these days.
Maybe that's why we had so much fun
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What do they do now for QFI's?
We briefed for the trip and self-authorised but then if you could not complete the trip as briefed you did something else and changed your authorisation when you arrived back - if you remembered to do so.
We briefed for the trip and self-authorised but then if you could not complete the trip as briefed you did something else and changed your authorisation when you arrived back - if you remembered to do so.
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I agree with John: if you need another brief after your first brief, why not cover everything in the brief, in the first place??
For the poor souls that did crash, I'm not sure a second brief would have helped them...
For the poor souls that did crash, I'm not sure a second brief would have helped them...