Cost of British Air Strikes in Iraq
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Originally Posted by maliyahsdad2
Er - the whole point of the RAF is the delivery of these weapons.
Isn't it actually more expensive having an air force during the times that it isn't delivering weapons to bearded men in pick ups.
Its not just about boys toys and beer calls.
Isn't it actually more expensive having an air force during the times that it isn't delivering weapons to bearded men in pick ups.
Its not just about boys toys and beer calls.
As for "more expensive not delivering weapons". I do think having a deterrent sitting there is a worthy cost. For example, our nuclear deterrent... We don't use it and it costs us a lot, but it still saves lives. A conventional deterrent may make other nations think twice about their foriegn policy, such as QRA in the Falkland Islands. Then there is other services we provide that does not have to involve the delivering weapons such as SAR, military aid to the civil community, use of air transport.
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From memory use of the concrete paveway IIs wasn't a success despite the best intentions for its use in urban CAS ivo Baghdad. It's use was most often followed by the supported unit saying " thankyou but can we have a real one now please"
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I'm wondering why something like Spectre 2 couldn't be used against these soft targets. Rather than expensive LGBs, SGBs whatever the modern parlance is. Obviously, we (the RAF) do not operate Spectre, or a British alternative, so once the order is given, we have to use whatever is available. I'm sure the A10 also could offer a cheaper option, but risk has to be taken in to account with the IS attitude to warfare. Unlike those captured, having been shot down, in former conflicts, one can only see the ritual beheading on YouTube as treatment for any captured crew. If an area infested by these Stone Age scum could be identified, a tactical nuke could be more cost effective IMHOP.
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If we're in the business of taking out pickup trucks, how about BAe reopening the Hurricane assembly line, and running a limited production of (say) 250 Hurricane IICs ? Four 20mm Hispanos should do the business. (Or a IID with two 40mm and more armour).
Shouldn't take long for our FJs to convert.
(Tongue in cheek !)
Shouldn't take long for our FJs to convert.
(Tongue in cheek !)
Danny, the very thought is mouthwatering. I wonder if a pollie might read this and dispatch BBMF to Iraq for its winter season 2014
There were certainly some great air to ground performers by the end of WW2, always liked the Typhoon myself, though never had the pleasure of seeing one. But Hurricane or Tiffy, both would obviously fit the current need. Perhaps your tongue in cheek post is not such a bad suggestion.
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There were certainly some great air to ground performers by the end of WW2, always liked the Typhoon myself, though never had the pleasure of seeing one. But Hurricane or Tiffy, both would obviously fit the current need. Perhaps your tongue in cheek post is not such a bad suggestion.Smudge
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If cost of individual items is the main concern, would it not be possible to allow 'sponsorship' of them, a la 'A gift from me, Adolf' of WWII. There must be plenty of rich geezers around who wouldn't mind coughing up to have their message personally delivered to IS by the RAF.
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If cost of individual items is the main concern, would
If it was a strategic position or something about to fall yea, some other force multipliers yea. There had better be a lot more occurring in the background than what is showed in the media.
Pious Pilot's on to something. Send the pikeys in! They have a natural affinity for pickup trucks, especially those belonging to other people. Tell them they can keep any they can find. Pikeys are also known to enjoy a good punch up, so they might enjoy meeting ISIS too.
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IIRC Around 15 years back, there was rumour / talk of obtaining Spectres in support of the lads from sunny Herefordshire.
Or we could configure some of the J models into USMC Harvest Hawk quick conversions or buy the MC-27J as my below pic from Farnborough - I did see some our senior RAF figures mulling around and been briefed by the Alenia guys
If anyone reads the back of the Key Publishing Air Forces Monthly, there is an advert from Alenaia on the C=27J nad right at the bottom of the description - says 'The C-27J Made in Britain'
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IIRC Around 15 years back, there was rumour / talk of obtaining Spectres in support of the lads from sunny Herefordshire.
Or we could configure some of the J models into USMC Harvest Hawk quick conversions or buy the MC-27J as my below pic from Farnborough - I did see some our senior RAF figures mulling around and been briefed by the Alenia guys
If anyone reads the back of the Key Publishing Air Forces Monthly, there is an advert from Alenaia on the C=27J nad right at the bottom of the description - says 'The C-27J Made in Britain'
Cheers
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RAF and ISIL
Looks like the RAF has been ordered to destroy all ASIL pickup trucks with out delay and the home secretary is ready to issue further ASBO's,but this order from TM maybe overuled by the human right watch in Salzburg.
Looks like the RAF has been ordered to destroy all ASIL pickup trucks with out delay and the home secretary is ready to issue further ASBO's,but this order from TM maybe overuled by the human right watch in Salzburg.
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I think the good point that smujsmith makes is the fate of anyone shot down over the Badlands. Capture and almost certain nasty death would be disastrous on several levels. On that basis alone, stand-off weapons and the attendant high cost are a sad reality of this sort of conflict. Better a high stores bill than an even higher butcher's bill.
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Technology is great, until the cost of using it becomes so prohibitive as to render it ineffective.
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Technology is great, until the cost of using it becomes so prohibitive as it renders it ineffective.
Best aircraft in the world and it gets brought down by a cheap gun.
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Small bomb but lots of them
On the B-N stand at Farnbourgh this year was an Islander with a number of small free fall guided munitions, if I remember correctly the warhead was about 20Lb.
I would guess that a few Islanders with laser designators and I large number of these small bombs could stay on station high over the area 24/7 at the fraction of the cost of fast air.
My aim would be to make this assymetric war a little less assymetric buy applying more appropriate and affordable technology to the situation.
I would guess that a few Islanders with laser designators and I large number of these small bombs could stay on station high over the area 24/7 at the fraction of the cost of fast air.
My aim would be to make this assymetric war a little less assymetric buy applying more appropriate and affordable technology to the situation.