UK Armed Forces Pay Review Body 2015
I think you're probably in a minority across the country that thinks that, but that may be as much down to the individuals filling the posts rather than the posts themselves. Running the country should be a suitably well paid job - if there were some sort of formal qualifications or criteria required to do the job, rather than simply having gone to Oxford or being in the right Union. Run as a proper profession, then their salaries might be appropriate. But it isn't run as a proper profession, many don't strike me as professional people and therefore I'm struggling to see why they deserve a 10% rise. As for job security, if they're any good they won't have to worry will they!
However, I guess that takes us into a chicken / egg argument of do you get what you pay for. But as leaders of the country, I would expect them to appreciate the difference between right and correct and set an example accordingly. And cutting salaries across government whilst taking a double digit rise themselves is not leading by example.
However, I guess that takes us into a chicken / egg argument of do you get what you pay for. But as leaders of the country, I would expect them to appreciate the difference between right and correct and set an example accordingly. And cutting salaries across government whilst taking a double digit rise themselves is not leading by example.
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Agreed when we are comparing 67k and 64k, but add 10% to the MPs' salaries and it's a significant difference. Compare it with a non-aircrew flt lt and the difference is very significant indeed. Oh and at what point does the MP qualify for a pension and how much? Aren't MPs pretty well remunerated to offset the supposed lack of job sy?
Oh and what Melchett said too!
MP salary isn't on much more than an enhanced rate FLt Lt salary.
Oh and what Melchett said too!
The argument which is effectively applied to Services pay - keep cutting until we can't make the numbers - should be applied to MPs.
Drop MPs' salary by, say, 20% and see what happens at the next election. Couldn't do much worse than now.
Drop MPs' salary by, say, 20% and see what happens at the next election. Couldn't do much worse than now.
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Apparently it won't be doing away with our increments the following is what I have been briefed/gleaned from things I've seen/heard.
On promotion you will have no increment rise for 2 years (AFPRB increase still apllies) as supposedly you are not experienced enough in rank to justify increase.
After 2 year period there will be a maximum of 4 increments.
Apparently it won't be doing away with our increments the following is what I have been briefed/gleaned from things I've seen/heard.
On promotion you will have no increment rise for 2 years (AFPRB increase still apllies) as supposedly you are not experienced enough in rank to justify increase.
After 2 year period there will be a maximum of 4 increments.
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When the increment change is introduced it will be interesting to see the overall effect in pay over 8 or so years from promotion into a rank when compared to the previous system. I wonder if it will be the same...
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I recall a change to the incremental system a few (~20?) years ago, whereby the number of increments between lowest and highest Flt Lt increased, thereby taking longer to reach said highest rate. Not sure whether the changes applied to Sqn Ldr and above.
Can't remember if that pre- or post- dated the old trick of deferring (part of) the April pay rise until sometime later in the year.
Can't remember if that pre- or post- dated the old trick of deferring (part of) the April pay rise until sometime later in the year.
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Can't remember if that pre- or post- dated the old trick of deferring (part of) the April pay rise until sometime later in the year.
When the increment change is introduced it will be interesting to see the overall effect in pay over 8 or so years from promotion into a rank when compared to the previous system. I wonder if it will be the same...
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Sounds like the new increments will be biennial, at best. Dependent on OJAR/SJAR perhaps...
Wonder how that will work for PA pay spine too...
And of course, will there be different gradients for 'mongs vs. chiselers'?
Wonder how that will work for PA pay spine too...
And of course, will there be different gradients for 'mongs vs. chiselers'?
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And of course, MPs don't have to do quite as long as we do for a pension.
After a 5 year term they would get about an £8k pension, which would be proportionally higher after longer "service".
Oh, and there's a "Resettlement Grant" (between 50% and 100% of salary) and a £42k "Winding Up Allowance" 
Some more details here. [Only Wiki I know, but .....]
After a 5 year term they would get about an £8k pension, which would be proportionally higher after longer "service".
Oh, and there's a "Resettlement Grant" (between 50% and 100% of salary)
and a £42k "Winding Up Allowance" Some more details here. [Only Wiki I know, but .....]
Dependent on OJAR/SJAR perhaps.
"incremental pay" is an interesting topic - I recall when I was a trade union elected official (waits for barrage of rotten fruit and old boots to die down) in the 70s it was argued cogently when it was proposed to abolish increments in the local government pay scheme, that the top rate was "the rate for the job" and the incremental scale a means by which the employer delayed paying you all of it.
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Truly, nobody actually gives a ****.
Its true, outside in civvy street no-one actually gives a **** what service people are paid. Don't like that? Then leave. Nobody forces you in.
All this babbling on about MP's pay as well, nothing to do with it.
Good NHS workers are at the top of the pay tree, because its a political hot potato and MPs don't want to upset the mug punter electorate about bad news at the hospital or doctors.
Teachers are on strong money because they have a damn good trade union and the muscle to flex, always have had.
Servicemen moaning about money does absolutely nothing to intimidate their paymasters.
* Even when I was in, I was incredulous that people would moan on and on about the trades union movement. A lot of ignorance within the Armed Forces about Britain's political history.
All this babbling on about MP's pay as well, nothing to do with it.
Good NHS workers are at the top of the pay tree, because its a political hot potato and MPs don't want to upset the mug punter electorate about bad news at the hospital or doctors.
Teachers are on strong money because they have a damn good trade union and the muscle to flex, always have had.
Servicemen moaning about money does absolutely nothing to intimidate their paymasters.
* Even when I was in, I was incredulous that people would moan on and on about the trades union movement. A lot of ignorance within the Armed Forces about Britain's political history.
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Couldn't agree more. If you don't like it leave....and that is meant in the most respectful way. You will never change it and as has been said, absolutely nobody of consequence cares. We've had a fair few guys hanging on expecting an FRI, and what really blew me away was the COC not moving to give any direction or input. Indeed, with hindsight I believe it may have been a tactic to string people along. If it does eventually arrive I can imagine it will be low simply as there is no money, nothing more, nothing less.
Not forgetting that the market isn't exactly brilliant at the mo.
Not forgetting that the market isn't exactly brilliant at the mo.
This is PPrune. Home to all sorts of conspiracy theories, rumours, questions, queries and tales of daring do. It's also a place where people can come to let of steam and express incredulity at the way things are going. If you don't like that, then I suggest you leave.
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I'm sure the two years of 1% was extended to a third year, I can't see that changing no matter how the economic recovery was progressing and larger pay increases in other sectors.
MP salary isn't on much more than an enhanced rate FLt Lt salary.
Agreed when we are comparing 67k and 64k,
Agreed when we are comparing 67k and 64k,
Still, my house was worth about twice my salary then, so I suppose servicemen and women nowadays are no better off, if anything worse off now. Especially when I guess a good £20k of that £64K is taxed at the higher rate.
Just goes to show the effects of inflation, I suppose.