Sense of Humo(u)r failure?
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...oo-courts.html
http://www.channel4.com/news/army-di...angaroo-courts
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/u...cle3711905.ece
http://www.channel4.com/news/army-di...angaroo-courts
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/u...cle3711905.ece
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Thankyou, Typhoon. Well put. (Post #40)
Whenur,
(Post #39) Sad but true - but the OR's and Sergeant's messes here in OZ were not, back in my day, what I would call 'exclusive'.
Chris Kebab,
(Post #35) I think I've got a job for you, lad.. See me after you've finished sweeping the hangar.
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Whenur,
(Post #39) Sad but true - but the OR's and Sergeant's messes here in OZ were not, back in my day, what I would call 'exclusive'.
Chris Kebab,
(Post #35) I think I've got a job for you, lad.. See me after you've finished sweeping the hangar.
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I see a bored stiff squaddie who lightened up his stag by providing a bit of light entertainment to what sounded like a clearly appreciative audience.
The kids we hear on the soundtrack will remember that more than they would an ordinary Guardsman on sentry duty, and probably tell their pals.
With that kind of initiative and situational awareness the Guardsman's probably just the kind of guy you'd want around when the bullets are flying.
Just a thought.
The kids we hear on the soundtrack will remember that more than they would an ordinary Guardsman on sentry duty, and probably tell their pals.
With that kind of initiative and situational awareness the Guardsman's probably just the kind of guy you'd want around when the bullets are flying.
Just a thought.
high jinks applied to commissioned aircrew
Anyway, you may be unaware that, if any damage to government property was caused as a result of those 'high jinks' the cost of repair would appear on the bar bills of all present.
Most stunts happen in private and do not bring the Service into disrepute; this chap's 'moment of glory' was about as public as you can get. I'm sure he's a great soldier, buddy and all that but 'don't do the crime' etc
He will, of course, live on in regimental (unofficial) history
This is representative of a number of things that have occurred recently where the stupidity of the offence itself is overridden by the stupidity of doing it when you know full well that people are videoing it.
Whether it's ponceing about in front of Buck-house or "offing" a mortally wounded unlawful combatant in Afghanistan - you know it's against the rules so if you're going to do it don't do it while someone is videoing it... How difficult can that be???
Whether it's ponceing about in front of Buck-house or "offing" a mortally wounded unlawful combatant in Afghanistan - you know it's against the rules so if you're going to do it don't do it while someone is videoing it... How difficult can that be???
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Although anything over 14 days detention is served in Colchester by some units, particularly units with no guardroom, using civvy security etc. I would expect full blooded regiments/battalions who run a full guardroom with Regimental Police etc. to take care of their own.
The Guards particularly do things their own way! They, for instance, wear shoulder flashes on their No.2 dress, have their own unique way of doing drill and many other idiosyncrasies that I can't bring to mind at the moment, so I would expect them to run their own detention up to 28 days still and it wouldn't be pleasant! I stand to be corrected, any Guardsmen out there?
This link; Military Corrective Training Centre (MCTC) - British Army Website makes interesting reading, if you want to know what goes on at Colchester and definitely says it is used for 14 days up to 2 years detention.
Hardly seems worth the trouble for taking someone there for just two weeks!
The Guards particularly do things their own way! They, for instance, wear shoulder flashes on their No.2 dress, have their own unique way of doing drill and many other idiosyncrasies that I can't bring to mind at the moment, so I would expect them to run their own detention up to 28 days still and it wouldn't be pleasant! I stand to be corrected, any Guardsmen out there?
This link; Military Corrective Training Centre (MCTC) - British Army Website makes interesting reading, if you want to know what goes on at Colchester and definitely says it is used for 14 days up to 2 years detention.
Hardly seems worth the trouble for taking someone there for just two weeks!
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To those complaining about the thread existing "in a forum for military aircrew" and it's all been talked to death, let me ask/add:
Don't Guardsmen, when on operational duty to two-way firing ranges, fly on military transport aircraft? Therefore, the sentry in question either has been or could be on such a military aircraft?
Sorted, I think you call it.
And I've learned all sorts of interesting old and current nuggets about British military justice dispensation (no comment on it; doesn't sound too different than US, with some exceptions).
Don't Guardsmen, when on operational duty to two-way firing ranges, fly on military transport aircraft? Therefore, the sentry in question either has been or could be on such a military aircraft?
Sorted, I think you call it.
And I've learned all sorts of interesting old and current nuggets about British military justice dispensation (no comment on it; doesn't sound too different than US, with some exceptions).
Lest it be thought that there are double standards for officers, as has been alleged, I can relate a story told to me by an old chum who was an ensign in the Welsh Guards at the time of the incident. Going home for the weekend, he bumped into his adjutant at Paddington. Spotting the fact that my chum had committed the heinous offence of wearing brown shoes in London (in civvies), the adjutant ordered him back to Wellington Barracks, where he spent the weekend on regimental duties as a punishment.
Not quite 3 weeks detention, but then wearing brown shoes wasn't quite in the same category as making an arse of yourself in the public gaze.
Not quite 3 weeks detention, but then wearing brown shoes wasn't quite in the same category as making an arse of yourself in the public gaze.
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Bob Vikung, Helpfull Staker, sorry I couldnt get back to you sooner, have been flying around the country trying not to bend anything. Now, to answer your questions, no, Im not a French Canadian, and as for them "whining" you display a typical narrow Brit perception of Canada, the Royal 22nd Regiment are not only a superb fighting unit, but in the last few weeks were doing gaurd duty at the very location where this British soldier was clowning around, they last did this duty in 1917 after the battle of Vimy Ridge, ,shortly after the Canadian troops won that battle , a feat not acomplished by British or French forces . I for one rather envy the French speaking units in the Canadian Forces, the generally dont get lumbered with poor leaders but tend to retain the likes of Wing Comander Lacombe, {Jo the group to all his crews} who led 425 Squadron in WW2 . By the way, having served with many units in the past the most "whining" I ever heard was from an RAF navigator who spent some time over here with a U/S aircraft, somthing about his grass would need cutting if he didnt get back home soon. {I kid you not} As for "inbred upper class", a short look at the blood lines of the so called "upper class" says it all. Yes, I may offend you, but not nearly as much as some of the Brits who seem to think that having the Gattling Gun to build their Empire in the past is somthing to be proud of, I can only wonder that to what degree this attitude has resulted in the rank stupidity going on in Scotlad today.
the Brits who seem to think that having the Gattling Gun to build their Empire in the past is somthing to be proud of
A quick look at Sun Tzu's ancient literary efforts would suggest that is not the way to wage war.
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MAA should have sufficed.
I haven't seen the video (not interested).The whole episode was blown out of proportion by social media, then our own rapacious press. At most its a Minor Administrive Action (if they still do them) which should have sufficed.
Not prison or any form of detention-get a grip. Some of the replies on here make me wonder about the background and former careers of some of the prune inmates.
Since I've returned to being a civvy (after 4 very different decades of service in the 80's 90's 00's and teenies), I'm only now finally beginning to see through a lot of the military way of doing things. A lot of the time, it isn't always the right way.
And the person beforehand who said that sometimes its the "awkward squad "types that come up trumps when it matters was spot on.
Not prison or any form of detention-get a grip. Some of the replies on here make me wonder about the background and former careers of some of the prune inmates.
Since I've returned to being a civvy (after 4 very different decades of service in the 80's 90's 00's and teenies), I'm only now finally beginning to see through a lot of the military way of doing things. A lot of the time, it isn't always the right way.
And the person beforehand who said that sometimes its the "awkward squad "types that come up trumps when it matters was spot on.
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Another remarkably revealing post from you. I am starting to understand what makes you tick.
How interesting that you are confident enough to accuse the social media, the rapacious press and a load of pruners of over reacting to this incident, despite not actually having watched the video itself! Perhaps confident is the wrong word. Misguided or prejudiced are probably more accurate adjectives.
As for your "awkward squad often come up trumps" comment, what a load of drivel. Do you really believe that a professional infantryman, who gets so bored while guarding Buck House in public that he feels it is OK to clown about, can be relied on to maintain his alertness and discipline doing sangar duty in a war zone?
I suggest you set aside your prejudice, look at the evidence and consider the context before committing yourself to a verdict in future.
Another remarkably revealing post from you. I am starting to understand what makes you tick.
How interesting that you are confident enough to accuse the social media, the rapacious press and a load of pruners of over reacting to this incident, despite not actually having watched the video itself! Perhaps confident is the wrong word. Misguided or prejudiced are probably more accurate adjectives.
As for your "awkward squad often come up trumps" comment, what a load of drivel. Do you really believe that a professional infantryman, who gets so bored while guarding Buck House in public that he feels it is OK to clown about, can be relied on to maintain his alertness and discipline doing sangar duty in a war zone?
I suggest you set aside your prejudice, look at the evidence and consider the context before committing yourself to a verdict in future.
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I never said I was offended by your remarks. I think you'll find what I posted was banter. Something you clearly didn't pick up on. Are you sure you aren't French Canadian?!
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Nope, definately not a "Pea Souper", father, {an RFC Observer in WW1} was from Sligo, mother from Cornwall, {the one in the UK, not Ontario} so not a trace of French blood in us, but we do all speak more than just English, and live in and area which has a 50/50 French/Engish speaking population.
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Genstabler,
28 days (or whatever) PLUS a criminal record for acting the goat?
There are plenty of less severe but nonetheless effective ways of maintaining discipline.
As for "guarding" the Palace, please don't make me laugh. Clockwork tin soldiers would be just as effective.
At Victoria Barracks here, civvy contractors look after the day-to-day security while the lads are busy polishing their brass and ironing their creases to look good for the tourist cameras and politicians' media flunkies.
It wasn't just appearance that made the Empire great - however much some people might like to think it was (particularly the British officer class).
Cast your mind back to the dark days of WWI and the oft complained-about impertinence of the 'Diggers'.
Pop out to Australia some time and we'll show you the meaning of 'Balance'.
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28 days (or whatever) PLUS a criminal record for acting the goat?
There are plenty of less severe but nonetheless effective ways of maintaining discipline.
As for "guarding" the Palace, please don't make me laugh. Clockwork tin soldiers would be just as effective.
At Victoria Barracks here, civvy contractors look after the day-to-day security while the lads are busy polishing their brass and ironing their creases to look good for the tourist cameras and politicians' media flunkies.
It wasn't just appearance that made the Empire great - however much some people might like to think it was (particularly the British officer class).
Cast your mind back to the dark days of WWI and the oft complained-about impertinence of the 'Diggers'.
Pop out to Australia some time and we'll show you the meaning of 'Balance'.
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Yes, we know. Keeping those chips on your shoulders balanced must be such a bug.ger......
Pop out to Australia some time and we'll show you the meaning of 'Balance'.