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Yeah, a criminal record - that's great, isn't it?
What goes on in the services should stay in the services.
Some of the worst clowns on the parade ground have been the ones
that have saved our @rses when things became, er.., difficult.
In fact, I personally owe my life to one of them.
Just kick his @rse and let him learn from it, that's all.
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What goes on in the services should stay in the services.
Some of the worst clowns on the parade ground have been the ones
that have saved our @rses when things became, er.., difficult.
In fact, I personally owe my life to one of them.
Just kick his @rse and let him learn from it, that's all.
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This
and this
were my points succinctly made by these comments.
Very little distinction between detention and prison since 2009 as even summary hearings can see you with a civilian criminal record.
Just kick his @rse and let him learn from it, that's all.
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Apologies (as stated in OP). Hadn't seen it and not a member of the forum you mentioned.
Still, it has gone to page two, so perhaps not completely covered...
Still, it has gone to page two, so perhaps not completely covered...
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Chaps, let's not forget - it's not (not) the Royal Army by coincidence. 
I'd be curious as to his motivation, that must have a bearing on things, surely. Either way, I'm sure that that measure of success these days (his facebook activity) will have gone through the roof.
Of course, if the Queen's Colour Sqn had been on the job that day, the public may have been spared the sight of the woodentops letting the side down.
I'd be curious as to his motivation, that must have a bearing on things, surely. Either way, I'm sure that that measure of success these days (his facebook activity) will have gone through the roof.
Of course, if the Queen's Colour Sqn had been on the job that day, the public may have been spared the sight of the woodentops letting the side down.
He knows the rules, he broke them, deserves what ever punishment they give him.
I think not.
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1. The Household Division are the Sovereign's personal troops. They don't need to be "Royal"; they already are, by definition.
2. QCS's raison d'être is related to the RAF, not the Royal Household. The Colour is presented to the RAF, and the QCS guard it. An internal role, if you will. Yes, I am well aware that they have guarded the Palaces, Windsor and the Tower. But so have the TA and the RCMP.
3. I agree that said wooden top needed his arrse kicked and so it came to pass. 21 days in clink. Clanngg, mind your fingers.
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If he'd been an Aussie Digger (Australian Serviceman - noted for their thumbing of their collective noses at "protocol" and "royalty" and anyone with their head so far up their ar$e, they can see their esophagus), he'd have certainly have been disciplined as well.
However, in the AMF, he'd probably get 14 days CB for "conduct to the prejudice of good order and discipline".
14 days CB means you're Confined to Barracks, and you have to spend some serious amounts of time jogging around a parade ground or up a nearby hill wearing full pack. It's designed to curtail enthusiasm for "pranks" - and it largely works.
Being jailed for 21 days seems to me to be a little over-the-top and unproductive. Being yelled drill instructions by a senior NCO who would rather be elsewhere, than drilling undisciplined members of the forces, is a better way of instilling the discipline that the unruly member lacked.
Instilling self-discipline via the application of external discipline has been the modus operandi of all disciplined military forces since time began.
The clown behaviour whilst on parade, and on public display, shows an inclination towards juvenile behaviour - not the behaviour of a responsible adult who exercises self-discipline.
However, in the AMF, he'd probably get 14 days CB for "conduct to the prejudice of good order and discipline".
14 days CB means you're Confined to Barracks, and you have to spend some serious amounts of time jogging around a parade ground or up a nearby hill wearing full pack. It's designed to curtail enthusiasm for "pranks" - and it largely works.
Being jailed for 21 days seems to me to be a little over-the-top and unproductive. Being yelled drill instructions by a senior NCO who would rather be elsewhere, than drilling undisciplined members of the forces, is a better way of instilling the discipline that the unruly member lacked.
Instilling self-discipline via the application of external discipline has been the modus operandi of all disciplined military forces since time began.
The clown behaviour whilst on parade, and on public display, shows an inclination towards juvenile behaviour - not the behaviour of a responsible adult who exercises self-discipline.
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If he'd been an Aussie Digger (Australian Serviceman - noted for their thumbing of their collective noses at "protocol" and "royalty" and anyone with their head so far up their ar$e, they can see their esophagus), he'd have certainly have been disciplined as well.
However, in the AMF, he'd probably get 14 days CB for "conduct to the prejudice of good order and discipline".
14 days CB means you're Confined to Barracks, and you have to spend some serious amounts of time jogging around a parade ground or up a nearby hill wearing full pack. It's designed to curtail enthusiasm for "pranks" - and it largely works.
Being jailed for 21 days seems to me to be a little over-the-top and unproductive. Being yelled drill instructions by a senior NCO who would rather be elsewhere, than drilling undisciplined members of the forces, is a better way of instilling the discipline that the unruly member lacked.
Instilling self-discipline via the application of external discipline has been the modus operandi of all disciplined military forces since time began.
The clown behaviour whilst on parade, and on public display, shows an inclination towards juvenile behaviour - not the behaviour of a responsible adult who exercises self-discipline.
However, in the AMF, he'd probably get 14 days CB for "conduct to the prejudice of good order and discipline".
14 days CB means you're Confined to Barracks, and you have to spend some serious amounts of time jogging around a parade ground or up a nearby hill wearing full pack. It's designed to curtail enthusiasm for "pranks" - and it largely works.
Being jailed for 21 days seems to me to be a little over-the-top and unproductive. Being yelled drill instructions by a senior NCO who would rather be elsewhere, than drilling undisciplined members of the forces, is a better way of instilling the discipline that the unruly member lacked.
Instilling self-discipline via the application of external discipline has been the modus operandi of all disciplined military forces since time began.
The clown behaviour whilst on parade, and on public display, shows an inclination towards juvenile behaviour - not the behaviour of a responsible adult who exercises self-discipline.
"CB" is somewhat similar to "Jankers' or Restriction of Privileges. Detention is basically the same thing 24 x 7 rather than just before and after normal work. Yes, ROPs is a ballache because you have to do both that and normal work, but not in the same league as detention.
The Guardsman failed to conduct his duties in a professional manner - his duties on this occasion were (ceremonial) guard duties. He's not been court martialed - he's been subject to summary justice from his CO for failing to carry out his duties. Simple.
And I can assure you that service personnel who f&ck up in the Mess or lose a laptop are dealt with pretty severely these days.
And I can assure you that service personnel who f&ck up in the Mess or lose a laptop are dealt with pretty severely these days.
I think you will find that the guardsman was sentenced to 21 days and he "did his time" in the regimental cells, not a Military Prison. If his sentence extended to over 28 days, he would have automatically been sent to a prison. It is not uncommon for Army C.O.s to sentence offenders to 27 days 23 hours and 59 minutes to keep things in house.
As to comparing his antics to piano burning and other "high jinks", the answer is simple, high jinks applied to commissioned aircrew. If I, or any of my non commissioned colleagues, had behaved the same way towards NAAFI furniture, chopped up and burnt a second hand piano or built and discharged a "mess cannon", it would have been a whole different ball game.
As to comparing his antics to piano burning and other "high jinks", the answer is simple, high jinks applied to commissioned aircrew. If I, or any of my non commissioned colleagues, had behaved the same way towards NAAFI furniture, chopped up and burnt a second hand piano or built and discharged a "mess cannon", it would have been a whole different ball game.
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???
...how has this all ended up in the Military Aviation section of a web site for professional aviators
It's an ARRSE issue and should have stayed over there; personally think the mods should move or bin it.
It's an ARRSE issue and should have stayed over there; personally think the mods should move or bin it.
sprintman - I've started noticing your posts of late, and having read a few, I think it's about time you came out and made an honest admission
You really don't like Britain or the Brits much, do you?
Still, having read Bill Bryson's description of Canberra in Down Under I can understand why you're bitter.
You really don't like Britain or the Brits much, do you?
Still, having read Bill Bryson's description of Canberra in Down Under I can understand why you're bitter.
As to comparing his antics to piano burning and other "high jinks", the answer is simple, high jinks applied to commissioned aircrew. If I, or any of my non commissioned colleagues, had behaved the same way towards NAAFI furniture, chopped up and burnt a second hand piano or built and discharged a "mess cannon", it would have been a whole different ball game.
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I agree. I find it offensive that he referred to us as 'inbred'.
As for the Guardsman, he broke protocol so he should be punished by his CO, but certainly not dealt with by a court martial. Ruining a persons life for five minutes of stupidity that at the end of the day, hasn't and isn't likely to hurt anyone but his self and his medal count, is over the top.
Clunk, for the record, the rounds in the weapon are live.
PS. The blade of the bayonet is sharp too!
As for the Guardsman, he broke protocol so he should be punished by his CO, but certainly not dealt with by a court martial. Ruining a persons life for five minutes of stupidity that at the end of the day, hasn't and isn't likely to hurt anyone but his self and his medal count, is over the top.
Clunk, for the record, the rounds in the weapon are live.
PS. The blade of the bayonet is sharp too!
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Oberon - it is no longer 28 days, the cutoff has been 14 days since 2006, so Gdsm Nureyev would have most likely have gone to the Motor Cycle Training Centre to have his sense of duty improved for him.
As to comparing his antics to piano burning and other "high jinks", the answer is simple, high jinks applied to commissioned aircrew. If I, or any of my non commissioned colleagues, had behaved the same way towards NAAFI furniture, chopped up and burnt a second hand piano or built and discharged a "mess cannon", it would have been a whole different ball game.
CG