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Oil and Gas revenues and security from that. Large areas of ocean and food therein.
the English Navy sails north
I don't think things will be rosy at all for England after the split
I think its deliberate on Englands side, to an extent.
What will England do, when the Scots leave Britain>?
England, or the Conservative Party, which is actually looking forward to the split up, has already done as much damage as it possibly can. Little wonder of the coming split.
England will be much more diminished in the long term.
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OK, so DC resigns in the event of a "yes" vote. Who is your choice to lead the Tories into the 2015 General Election? Perhaps you're in favour of Prime Minister Milli (I forget the rest).
Good point, Mel. I can only guess that folks see this as as an England Scotland match and tend to forget. No excuse for that. And good research on the quotes - I hope none of those was my mistake.
Your point is well made made.
I hope none of those was my mistake.Your point is well made made.
The only comment coming from Wales on this issue that I can recall is that the Welsh First Minister opposes any form of currency union with an independent Scotland.
The only comment coming from Wales on this issue that I can recall is that the Welsh First Minister opposes any form of currency union with an independent Scotland.
Melmoth,
a joint currency union - where the currency is seen by investors as the sum of both nations - is seen by those in the (r)UK as rather like having a joint bank account or joint credit cards with your ex-wife.
would you have a joint bank account with your ex-wife?
we (and i lived in Scotland for a decade, i got married in Scotland, my eldest was born in Scotland and still lives there) would not want a currency union with an independant Scotland for exactly the same reasons we do not wish to join the Euro - because we would be effected by, and tied to, something we have no control over.
this is not some anti-Scottish plot, its the realisation - perhaps not really grasped by some on the 'yes' side - that if Scotland decides to become independant it will be a foreign country, like Ireland or France, or Sweden, and will be treated as such. You can't be independant for one convenient thing and then decide to be part of the gang when dealing with something else.
if Scotland decides 'yes' then i wish it all the luck in the world - as you can imagine, i have a selfish interest in Scotland being a stable, prosperous country with excellent relations with the (r)UK - but not at my expense.
a joint currency union - where the currency is seen by investors as the sum of both nations - is seen by those in the (r)UK as rather like having a joint bank account or joint credit cards with your ex-wife.
would you have a joint bank account with your ex-wife?
we (and i lived in Scotland for a decade, i got married in Scotland, my eldest was born in Scotland and still lives there) would not want a currency union with an independant Scotland for exactly the same reasons we do not wish to join the Euro - because we would be effected by, and tied to, something we have no control over.
this is not some anti-Scottish plot, its the realisation - perhaps not really grasped by some on the 'yes' side - that if Scotland decides to become independant it will be a foreign country, like Ireland or France, or Sweden, and will be treated as such. You can't be independant for one convenient thing and then decide to be part of the gang when dealing with something else.
if Scotland decides 'yes' then i wish it all the luck in the world - as you can imagine, i have a selfish interest in Scotland being a stable, prosperous country with excellent relations with the (r)UK - but not at my expense.
I like your simile, Cokecan, but I think it's even worse than that for both parties. Having one's currency governed by the Bank off England means it's not really independence. Having the BoE as the central bank for Scotland would leave the UK responsible for bailing out Scotland when the time comes. And I suspect it will.
I'm not arguing the case for or against a currency union cokecan, just stating that the position of the Labour First Minister of Wales on the subject is the same as that of the UK and Scottish Labour leaders. There should be no surprise there.
Melmoth,
i think its also the SWP's position - its not a 'she says that because she's been told to' thing, its a 'she says that because she doesn't feel her constituants should be responsible for what a foreign country decides to spend' thing.
you will be hard pushed to find anyone outside Scotland - regardless of their position on Scottish independance - who thinks that a joint currency union is a good idea. ****, i know a couple of 'yes' people who think its dumb as pork..
i think its also the SWP's position - its not a 'she says that because she's been told to' thing, its a 'she says that because she doesn't feel her constituants should be responsible for what a foreign country decides to spend' thing.
you will be hard pushed to find anyone outside Scotland - regardless of their position on Scottish independance - who thinks that a joint currency union is a good idea. ****, i know a couple of 'yes' people who think its dumb as pork..
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I hear that it's all going to be OK. The threat to resurrect the 1745 "additional verse" to the national anthem seems to be doing the trick.
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How about grubbing around to give them a squadron's worth of BAC Strikemasters and a few F.5A Freedom (from the hated English) Fighters to defend their sacred air space?
Where does Comrade Salmond intend to build his Presidential Palace by the way? Rumour has it he's been toying with photographs of one of Saddam's former abodes. Only the best will do.
Shades of Animal Farm.
Where does Comrade Salmond intend to build his Presidential Palace by the way? Rumour has it he's been toying with photographs of one of Saddam's former abodes. Only the best will do.
Shades of Animal Farm.
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... someone had to ...... 
The threat to resurrect the 1745 "additional verse" to the national anthem seems to be doing the trick.
Lord, grant that Marshal Wade
May by thy mighty aid
Victory bring.
May he sedition hush and like a torrent rush,
Rebellious Scots to crush.
God save the King.
May by thy mighty aid
Victory bring.
May he sedition hush and like a torrent rush,
Rebellious Scots to crush.
God save the King.
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they have every right to leave but...
tho' it'll cause the rest of the UK a lot of time and money we'd rather spend on something else - probably 5 years of arguing over everything
so we don't be happy
we won't be minded to help
no sympathy
no listening to their complaints
no further rights for them in the rUK
they should remember the old Mexican saying
"poor Mexico - so far from God, so close to the United States"
tho' it'll cause the rest of the UK a lot of time and money we'd rather spend on something else - probably 5 years of arguing over everything
so we don't be happy
we won't be minded to help
no sympathy
no listening to their complaints
no further rights for them in the rUK
they should remember the old Mexican saying
"poor Mexico - so far from God, so close to the United States"
If only it might be that simple, Harry. There will be a lot (LOT!) of very expensive negotiations and just going through the process will cost billions. On both sides. The concessions will be way more frustrating than we've seen before. Don't imagine for a moment that the aftermath will be happy.
I do so hope, that in the event of a yes vote, the first decision is to remove all Scottish seats from involvement in the general election of May next year. I see no reason why a country, who has voted for seperation, should hold any further sway on policies which will only apply to Great Britain (Sans Scotland). I would go further and question the right of Scots to stand in British seats. There are lots of things that both sides in this debacle have failed to consider, Camoron for one seems to have failed to see the bigotry now being shown by SNP supporters toward English people who have lived, and spent their money, in Scotland for many years. It took some 300 plus years to create and develop "The Union", whatever the result, Camoron has broken it in less than 5 years. Are we sure we can still afford to employ these "top" politicians like Camoron? I for one think not.
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Not much of a democrat are you, smuj?
While the UK Government continues to make decisions that affect Scots we will continue to have MP's at Westminster until the date of independence.
While the UK Government continues to make decisions that affect Scots we will continue to have MP's at Westminster until the date of independence.
perthsaint, I accept that fully, perhaps I should have also stated my belief that as of the date of the next GE, no laws or regulations can be imposed on the "prospective" Independant Scotland. If Independance is the winner, there must be a date where a British Parliament holds sway. As Scotland already has a functioning parliament, there's no need to continue with Britain. Hope that makes better sense. Whatever happens with the referendum, you can guarantee that old blokes like me have only opinions, the politicians will cock it all up for themselves.
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probably 5 years of arguing over everything