RAAF Hornets to Iraq - question
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My personal opinion is that we should have the same ROEs as coalition partners if we take part in the same missions. If that is unacceptable, we should not take part and the politicians will have to put up with appearing less committed than other nations.
RAAF C-130J op in Iraq
AN Australian aircraft has completed the first delivery of aid to northern Iraq.
DEFENCE Minister David Johnston confirmed the first mission, involving a RAAF C-130J transport aircraft flying out of the United Arab Emirates, had been successful.
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There is a very good argument to be made that the recent activities by C-17 crews and others in Europe was not a flag waving exercise.
There are many folks in Australia, the Netherlands, the UK and Malaysia who would argue the exercise had merit.
There are many folks in Australia, the Netherlands, the UK and Malaysia who would argue the exercise had merit.
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There is a very good argument to be made that the recent activities by C-17 crews and others in Europe was not a flag waving exercise.
There are many folks in Australia, the Netherlands, the UK and Malaysia who would argue the exercise had merit.
There are many folks in Australia, the Netherlands, the UK and Malaysia who would argue the exercise had merit.
Just like offensive ops would be, if our politicans allowed it.
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I didn't mean flag waving in a derogatory sense, although reading back over my post it might have come across like that.
Then add everything Surplus said.
I didn't mean flag waving in a derogatory sense, although reading back over my post it might have come across like that.
Then add everything Surplus said.
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Originally Posted by TBM-Legend
AN Australian aircraft has completed the first delivery of aid to northern Iraq.
Sorry, couldn't resist. MY coat please André!
One day hopefully you will all be allowed to read what the the fast jet guys actually did in Iraq when they were permitted to use their skill set.
Then you might come on here and make a few informed judgements.
Then you might come on here and make a few informed judgements.
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One day hopefully you will all be allowed to read what the the fast jet guys actually did in Iraq when they were permitted to use their skill set.
Then you might come on here and make a few informed judgements.
Then you might come on here and make a few informed judgements.
And that is exactly what we were talking about, when they were permitted to use their skill set. I don't know how many times it needs to be said, but this is not about questioning their ability or bravery, but it's about the reluctance of politicians to commit to offensive operations.
Some of us don't need to read about it, we were there too.
So what part of the fighter ops wasn't conducting offensive air? They were not dropping bombs in an empty desert in 2003.
I agree it doesn't happen much, but it was as offensive as it gets without carpet bombing cities and it was authorised by the politicians.
I add this to counter this thread of it never happens because the politicians won't let it.
Well it happened and they did.
I agree it doesn't happen much, but it was as offensive as it gets without carpet bombing cities and it was authorised by the politicians.
I add this to counter this thread of it never happens because the politicians won't let it.
Well it happened and they did.
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I think most know what went on back then and have no problem with it
but that still leaves Afghanistan.
And OK, let's say the FA-18's are needed to defend Aus even if Afghanistan was a low threat environment
to use our aircraft, that still leaves the Tigers to support Aussie troops.
BTW, the fact that what did occur was kept quite well hidden says a lot about the way Pollies want think perceived.
I can understand not releasing target imagery but not much else was made public. It's almost like they don't want people to know they were waging war.
I think most know what went on back then and have no problem with it
but that still leaves Afghanistan.
And OK, let's say the FA-18's are needed to defend Aus even if Afghanistan was a low threat environment
to use our aircraft, that still leaves the Tigers to support Aussie troops.
BTW, the fact that what did occur was kept quite well hidden says a lot about the way Pollies want think perceived.
I can understand not releasing target imagery but not much else was made public. It's almost like they don't want people to know they were waging war.
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So... am I mistaken in thinking that I read somewhere that there were RAAF Pigs deployed to Afghanistan?
I had thought they were, on something that was at the time not widely discussed.
But then I may be wrong.
I had thought they were, on something that was at the time not widely discussed.
But then I may be wrong.
The info is around but, yes I guess we won't see it released until this conflict is over. So maybe a hundred years or so...
I think a lot of the reason we didn't see to much FJ stiff from Oz in the sandpit is there just isn't that much for them to hit that is FJ suitable. I agree the Tiger would be an ideal asset, but I don't think it was ready for us in the timeframe.
I think a lot of the reason we didn't see to much FJ stiff from Oz in the sandpit is there just isn't that much for them to hit that is FJ suitable. I agree the Tiger would be an ideal asset, but I don't think it was ready for us in the timeframe.
I didn't know there was anyone left from the 1930s Cessnapete. I'm sure that's the foresight that had us sending our airmen to their deaths in Wirraways up against Zeros.
I will take you all the way back to the late 90s, a little place called Timor that could have gone either way.
There is a little saying don't bring a knife to a gunfight, I'm not sure your argument will even count as the sheath.
But please if you have an argument for Australia not having a fast jet fleet, let's hear it.
I will take you all the way back to the late 90s, a little place called Timor that could have gone either way.
There is a little saying don't bring a knife to a gunfight, I'm not sure your argument will even count as the sheath.
But please if you have an argument for Australia not having a fast jet fleet, let's hear it.