RAF to Import Ebola
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Will Pooley was lucky. If you can't take a joke, etc.
British doctors and soldiers will not be guaranteed return to UK
if they contract Ebola - Telegraph
British doctors and soldiers will not be guaranteed return to UK
if they contract Ebola - Telegraph
Armed forces personnel will be setting up treatment centres for local health staff who have Ebola, so that those who survive can go back to work. RFA/HMS Ocean is being sent offshore to provide a treatment facility for forces personnel. I suspect that is where the isolation facility will be and in full communication with UK medics at the Royal Free and RCDM Birmingham.
RAF Tasking and Payments
There used to be a well-established payment mechanism for the use of RAF transport aircraft and I am sure it still exists. There were 3 rates ranging from a no loss cost (ie direct operating costs only - fuel, landing fees, hotac etc) to a full costs which included elements even for the original training costs of the crew. It depended who asked for the task in the first place and Treasury Rules. A commercial organisation would pay full costs which in the case of a Hercules used to be in the region of £7500 to £8000 per flying hour. This was 20 years ago so a. Memory is not necessarily accurate and b. The rates will have changed.
The only exception to this will be if Ebola type flights have been incorporated into core tasking when, presumably, the Health Service would probably pay a standing charge for the commitment and the RAF would then pay from its own resources from then on.
In the case four own troops now involved, the arrangement is really no different from any other situation. The headline, at least that on in the DT, was misleading. Military personnel will be treated in theatre initially. If those resources are sufficient and satisfactory nothing more need be said. Then if the condition requires greater effort than is available an aeromed would follow. It is what we have been doing for 40 years to my own knowledge in both individual and team cases.
Looking back at past posts, remember also that the RAF does not do this kind of thing of its own volition. COBRA meetings, as at present, will have decided if or when any aeromeds
Are provided either for others or will have agreed the decision process for our own. In the case of a one-off a SofS will have asked the SofS Defence to do the task. - in other words it is a political decision initially.
The only exception to this will be if Ebola type flights have been incorporated into core tasking when, presumably, the Health Service would probably pay a standing charge for the commitment and the RAF would then pay from its own resources from then on.
In the case four own troops now involved, the arrangement is really no different from any other situation. The headline, at least that on in the DT, was misleading. Military personnel will be treated in theatre initially. If those resources are sufficient and satisfactory nothing more need be said. Then if the condition requires greater effort than is available an aeromed would follow. It is what we have been doing for 40 years to my own knowledge in both individual and team cases.
Looking back at past posts, remember also that the RAF does not do this kind of thing of its own volition. COBRA meetings, as at present, will have decided if or when any aeromeds
Are provided either for others or will have agreed the decision process for our own. In the case of a one-off a SofS will have asked the SofS Defence to do the task. - in other words it is a political decision initially.
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Originally Posted by air pig
RFA/HMS Ocean is being sent offshore to provide a treatment facility for forces personnel.
She's in Falmouth storing. Perhaps all that NBCD equipping and training will pay dividends.
Apologies, i was wrong, never was much good at ship recognition.
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I must admit to having a bad feeling about this one.
If Doctors and nurses who are extremely well versed in Bio Hazard protocols and working in cutting edge Western Isolation facilities are being contaminated then.....
If Doctors and nurses who are extremely well versed in Bio Hazard protocols and working in cutting edge Western Isolation facilities are being contaminated then.....
aha - but those doctors and nurses won't have spent a day every year taking part in the finest decontam exercise known to man - "blot, bang, rub"! I'm sure the MoD have provided a full and thorough threat specific training package and the best in cutting edge kit ready for this deployment? Stay safe and 'rubber up' would be my motto! 
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Think this is a mistake.
Sending Argus and 3 Merlin. Hate to sound heartless, but our resources should focus entirely on protecting our own islands. I don't think these people should go. They will be needed here soon.
It's like the world is hypnotised into a paralysis in this crises, and simply cannot either react, or doesn't want to react - for commercial reasons.
Multinationals (oil and gas) are burying their heads in the sand in this W. African region about this issue. They and their hosts cannot afford to turn off the tap that is supplying offshore O and G workers that travel here on their rotations. People have to travel from and to Europe to keep the oil flowing into Nigeria, Angola and more. stop them coming and the oil industry collapses here in a matter of....days.
It's like the world is hypnotised into a paralysis in this crises, and simply cannot either react, or doesn't want to react - for commercial reasons.
Multinationals (oil and gas) are burying their heads in the sand in this W. African region about this issue. They and their hosts cannot afford to turn off the tap that is supplying offshore O and G workers that travel here on their rotations. People have to travel from and to Europe to keep the oil flowing into Nigeria, Angola and more. stop them coming and the oil industry collapses here in a matter of....days.
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Sending Argus and 3 Merlin. Hate to sound heartless, but our resources should focus entirely on protecting our own islands. I don't think these people should go. They will be needed here soon.
It's like the world is hypnotised into a paralysis in this crises, and simply cannot either react, or doesn't want to react - for commercial reasons.
Multinationals (oil and gas) are burying their heads in the sand in this W. African region about this issue. They and their hosts cannot afford to turn off the tap that is supplying offshore O and G workers that travel here on their rotations. People have to travel from and to Europe to keep the oil flowing into Nigeria, Angola and more. stop them coming and the oil industry collapses here in a matter of....days.
It's like the world is hypnotised into a paralysis in this crises, and simply cannot either react, or doesn't want to react - for commercial reasons.
Multinationals (oil and gas) are burying their heads in the sand in this W. African region about this issue. They and their hosts cannot afford to turn off the tap that is supplying offshore O and G workers that travel here on their rotations. People have to travel from and to Europe to keep the oil flowing into Nigeria, Angola and more. stop them coming and the oil industry collapses here in a matter of....days.
A geography lesson. Nigeria is six countries away from Ebola, Angola is several more.
A lesson about oil. None of the currently affected countries produce any.
The mining companies have policies in place that make infection a remote possibility only. No physical contact, no infection. As far as I am aware the mining companies are all using charters to Accra to avoid the "sitting next to" problem.
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Isn't the old principle; take out the archer, not the arrow? If we can eradicate this at source, isn't it better than trying to kill it on our own Sceptred Isle?
If travel becomes limited in our new global economy, we could find ourselves buggered.
If travel becomes limited in our new global economy, we could find ourselves buggered.
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Hate to sound heartless, but our resources should focus entirely on protecting our own islands. I don't think these people should go. They will be needed here soon.
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Civilian nurses except for very few and that's so infrequent do not encounter Level 4 bio-hazards at all.
Civilian nurses except for very few and that's so infrequent do not encounter Level 4 bio-hazards at all.
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Caiman thanks for all the info there. We shall see how it develops then wont we..? I've seen one of the majors procedures already and I think its a work in progress, to be frank.
It crossed my mind this morning that Argus is simply going to West Africa not to help the locals but to help evacuate our expats, or screen them. To process all our people back home via an airhead, and weed out the infected off out of the way? Sounds callous and I was slow to grasp this but someone mentioned it but they may be right. I try not to give it too much thought but its coming to the top of the daily agenda.
Screening for air travellers in West Africa is, like many things in West Africa- chaotic, disjointed and ineffective. The virus could be quite capable of jumping entire continents, let alone a few coastal linked countries.
It crossed my mind this morning that Argus is simply going to West Africa not to help the locals but to help evacuate our expats, or screen them. To process all our people back home via an airhead, and weed out the infected off out of the way? Sounds callous and I was slow to grasp this but someone mentioned it but they may be right. I try not to give it too much thought but its coming to the top of the daily agenda.
Screening for air travellers in West Africa is, like many things in West Africa- chaotic, disjointed and ineffective. The virus could be quite capable of jumping entire continents, let alone a few coastal linked countries.
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Just take a peek back at page one of this thread. Interesting how far we've come in such a short time. Surprising? I think not.
From the BBC:
In the United States, questions are being asked about why two nurses who treated an Ebola patient from Africa have themselves become infected.
Another Spanish healthcare worker, who came into contact with a nurse already infected, is being tested for the virus
An Air France passenger with a high fever, reportedly from Nigeria, is to be examined in hospital for Ebola symptoms after arriving in Madrid from Paris
A patient with "Ebola-like" symptoms is being monitored in the US state of Connecticut
Another Spanish healthcare worker, who came into contact with a nurse already infected, is being tested for the virus
An Air France passenger with a high fever, reportedly from Nigeria, is to be examined in hospital for Ebola symptoms after arriving in Madrid from Paris
A patient with "Ebola-like" symptoms is being monitored in the US state of Connecticut
If Doctors and nurses who are extremely well versed in Bio Hazard protocols and working in cutting edge Western Isolation facilities are being contaminated then....
Canada: Saskatchewan Health Authority says "We're Ready". Nurses say "No We Aren't"
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskat...says-1.2800994
Alberta Health says "We're Ready". Nurses say "No We Aren't"
Ebola fears need to be addressed among Alberta nurses, says union - Canada - CBC News
etc.
Sound familiar?
From my personal experience at a Canadian University. Hierarchy says "We are fully prepared for major evacuation" . My experience on the ground was that the procedures had never worked in practices (not even close), but they were written up as if they had as you were subject to disciplinary action if you said otherwise.
http://www.thestar.com/opinion/comme...leblowers.html
Both Integrity Commissioners appointed to protect whistleblowers under this Act have been problematic. The first, Christiane Ouimet, found zero cases of employer wrongdoing and zero cases of reprisal against employees in three years (and 1,700 cases), and then retired, disgraced by the damning findings of an investigation by the Auditor General. Her successor, Mario Dion, has done little better, exploiting weaknesses in the law to do as little as possible and to leave whistleblowers to their fate.
Silencing people who point out dangerous flaws works really well, right up to the point you meet reality, then it all goes horribly wrong very quickly.
see also http://www.pprune.org/jet-blast/5370...ml#post8701219
Just like in Tom Clancy's Executive Orders
Jihadi plans to weaponise Ebola intercepted by Spanish authorities
Jihadi plans to weaponise Ebola intercepted by Spanish authorities
