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David Cameron Calls on NATO to Rethink Russia Relationship

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Old 4th Aug 2014, 20:20
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Why don't we mind our own business and sort out the myriad problems within our own (leaking) boarders.
In the meantime rebuild our armed forces back to a level commensurate with the requirements of home defence/foreign policy.
Simple really.
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Hear hear!
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Why don't we mind our own business and sort out the myriad problems within our own (leaking) boarders.
Because the world is a lot smaller now, and life is a parallel project not serial.

One thing that that has never changed though, is if you don't help out your friends or strategic partners, your enemy's will, and or take advantage of it. Another words your damned if you do, and damned if you don't, the only question is how do get less damned.
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rh200.

Very well. But if your aim is to help your friends (lest somebody else does), why
destroy the very means by which you would do so? with (as this Forum will show) yet more cuts ongoing?

It's lunacy.
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I don't think Dave C is completely wrong.

I was arguing (to a load of deaf posts in Brussels) back in the 90's about how crucial it was that we entice Russia to join NATO, given that the North and Atlantic nature of the alliance had a rival/power node to deal with in the long term in a place called China, and also in the region that Russia referred to as "the near abroad" and all of us in the Middle East. Russia did ge an office opened in Brussels as part of the Partnership for Peace, and some other initiatives. (Not due to my efforts, but due to a few folks seeing that far into the future).

But no, some people would not let go of the Cold War while there were people in Moscow we could work with. There was a glimmer of hope in 95-96 when the US and Russians worked in the same sector in the Northern area of the Bosnia operation ... but whatever gains we made then were dashed by the overarching political mess at the highest levels.
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destroy the very means by which you would do so?
You don't, thats part of the problem. I think people got a bit excited after the collapse of the Soviet union and thought we would all live in peace and harmony.

As I keep saying, change on Social, hence political take many generations and effectively needs to be breed out. Another words once some change happens you need to hold the line for a few generations until a tipping point occurs.

The simple fact is, a lot of our potential enemies think along generational if not century time frames. There is no secret to the fact that a lot of strategists think the yanks will implode. As such there has to a particular amount of planning for that, so as be best positioned to take advantage of it.
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Ukraine activists lament 'betrayal' of Kiev's Maidan as war rages in the east


http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...al-kiev-maidan


Maybe the chocolate king will have to be forced out of office now!
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Vladimir Putin's pointless conflict with Europe leaves it a vassal of China - Telegraph
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Especially as his govt directly caused them major grief by leaving only the venerable USN P3s to man the GIUK gap
Yes SP, but you must realise that our allies were only too happy to do that and take over our oceanic SAR responsibilities. I know that's true because I read it on an MOD website Couldnt make it up, could you.
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http://www.themoscowtimes.com/article/504691.html
Putin's Approval Rating Soars to 87%, Poll Says
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Not long then till he gets re-elected with a 99.9% majority!

For the 5th time.

Somehow seem to recall we've been here before.

P.S. Send all the excess grub to Gaza, a gift from the EU.
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The Ron Paul Institute for Peace and Prosperity : Crushing Protests in Kiev: Neocons Never Liberate Twice
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China relationship

Perhaps we ought to rethink our relationship with China. This is one terrifying video!

China 60th Anniversary Military Parade - Chinese Female Soldiers (HD) - YouTube
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Drool...............
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What's that about the "monstrous regimen of women"?
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Amazing indeed.
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Blimey, the Swiss have had there say indirectly.

Switzerland cancelled Russian Knights participation at Payerne
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Did anyone else spot that at minute 2.02, the 86th woman in the 27th row was about 2 inches out of line?

About time we started a 'special relationship' with the Chinese methinks...
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Quite simply, what an utter pri7ck we have as a Prime Minister
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Those Chinese women are mesmerizing to watch.
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