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Old 17th Jul 2014, 02:44
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A KC-135 is not a REAL 707, the real one had a Flight Engineer!
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Old 17th Jul 2014, 03:07
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A KC-135 is not a REAL 707, the real one had a Flight Engineer!
Like the 767's?
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Old 17th Jul 2014, 04:09
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Some 135s did have a flight engineer. To be precise the RC-135D, only 4 built though, and later converted back to KC minus the engineer.
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Like the 767's?
Indeed, and here's his station:

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Some of the early 767's did have an F/E..notably those operated by TAA.

Have a look at the link below and click on the before and after images.

767 Flight Engineer station | Jetcareers

The panel configuration also varies significantly depending on the operator, however, as a jump seat, it's very comfortable and you can happily spend many hours watching the two monkeys in front perform their onerous task of watching television screens..... and eating at the same time...the latter was not always a pretty sight.

As for F/E's, Air France, being Air France, also carried them on the Caravelle and the early 737's....quite why remains a mystery known only to AF however.
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Not getting into an argument over KC135 vs 707 since I have flown both, but the FAA issued me a 707 type rating based on my flying the 135. The systems are very different, and the 135 is both shorter and narrower than the 707-320Bs that I flew, but they fly pretty much the same. The biggest difference is in the landing. The 707 has slats that the 135 does not and touches down at a much steeper deck angle. My first few landings in the 707 were interesting to say the least. At least I was flying freight and Mr. Box doesn't complain about firm touchdowns.
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Very funny Roadster280 !


That is a standard 767 cockpit with the normal 'auxiliary panel' where a flight engineer panel was installed on those few Ansett Aircraft.
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Old 18th Jul 2014, 08:43
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Not getting into an argument over KC135 vs 707 since I have flown both, but the FAA issued me a 707 type rating based on my flying the 135. The systems are very different, and the 135 is both shorter and narrower than the 707-320Bs that I flew, but they fly pretty much the same. The biggest difference is in the landing. The 707 has slats that the 135 does not and touches down at a much steeper deck angle. My first few landings in the 707 were interesting to say the least. At least I was flying freight and Mr. Box doesn't complain about firm touchdowns.
You should have paid more attention then as the KC-135 does have leading edge devices. I won't get into the argument of whether they should be referred to as slats or flaps, but the manual calls them flaps. The big difference is the length of the leading edge devices. The KC-135 only has a short span between the engines, on the 707 they are much longer.

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Old 18th Jul 2014, 09:40
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Stamping all over my subtlety there Roadster!

And stiltons correct Krystal. Ansett had the three crew 767's. TAA operated A300's
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SD. Of course I know the 135 has small leading edge devices. Regardless of what they are called they only give you 6 knots on final. The 135 lands with a very flat pitch attitude with the nose gear barely off the ground unlike the 707.
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