F-35 combat jet's UK debut at Fairford Air Tattoo cancelled
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Most European display teams use trainers and all do a good job. If I had wanted to give an example I would have chosen one of them. I have seen the Snowbirds display and I'm afraid they just do not compare to their European counterparts. Long pauses with slow aircraft that are also too quiet.
Teams like the Reds and PdF make up for the lack of noise an F16 or F18 brings with spectacle. There is always something going on crowd centre and they are not afraid to re-shuffle in full view of the public.
I would definitely agree with you if you'd said the Snowbirds are the best display team in Canada.
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Teams like the Reds and PdF make up for the lack of noise an F16 or F18 brings with spectacle. There is always something going on crowd centre and they are not afraid to re-shuffle in full view of the public.
I would definitely agree with you if you'd said the Snowbirds are the best display team in Canada.
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3x common as muck training aircraft
Must be more Bulldogs around than I thought then
If noise and spectacle is what Joe Public wants, maybe they should go to a fireworks display and leave the air shows to folks who are actually interested in aeroplanes, not just cheap thrills?
Must be more Bulldogs around than I thought then
If noise and spectacle is what Joe Public wants, maybe they should go to a fireworks display and leave the air shows to folks who are actually interested in aeroplanes, not just cheap thrills?
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I used to think that many years ago, until I saw a display of synchronised aerobatics flown by 4 EMUAS QFIs at (I think) RAF Abingdon - in the venerable Chipmunk. A short display, well choreographed and skilfully flown!
I can think of nothing more boring than watching 3x common as muck training aircraft being flown at an airshow.
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Originally Posted by WH904
and leave the air shows to folks who are actually interested in aeroplanes
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"Common as muck"?
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I like the Bulldog - hell, it is better than the Grob in my opinion! But I wouldn't pay good money (like is asked for at RIAT) to watch one, two, three or even nine fly. It isn't a classic like a Tiger Moth and it isn't a warbird. I would also not categorise it as comparable to the Snowbirds that fly the JP-esque CT114 (which does produce noise and is a spectacle).
Like others have already said on here, the Airshow circuit needs variety - and I agree. But it also needs 'spectacle' that some old 'Dogs just don't supply (IMHO). Stick them in a line up of static 'RAF training aircraft through the ages' display and then I would agree.
Otherwise, what next? The Airtourer display team, the C152 Aerobat display team and the Motor-Falke display team? Or a guaranteed cure for insomnia...
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I like the Bulldog - hell, it is better than the Grob in my opinion! But I wouldn't pay good money (like is asked for at RIAT) to watch one, two, three or even nine fly. It isn't a classic like a Tiger Moth and it isn't a warbird. I would also not categorise it as comparable to the Snowbirds that fly the JP-esque CT114 (which does produce noise and is a spectacle).
Like others have already said on here, the Airshow circuit needs variety - and I agree. But it also needs 'spectacle' that some old 'Dogs just don't supply (IMHO). Stick them in a line up of static 'RAF training aircraft through the ages' display and then I would agree.
Otherwise, what next? The Airtourer display team, the C152 Aerobat display team and the Motor-Falke display team? Or a guaranteed cure for insomnia...
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Originally Posted by BEagle
I used to think that many years ago, until I saw a display of synchronised aerobatics flown by EMUAS QFIs at (I think) RAF Abingdon - in the venerable Chipmunk.
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and if you think 'Joe Public' would rather watch three antique, piston engined basic trainers trundling around, rather than a F-16/F-18/Typhoon with burners blazing, then you clearly haven't got a clue...
and no, I don't fall into the Joe Public category!
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If that were to be the case, then RIAT would've ceased to exist, years ago
Well, it did actually. RIAT 2014 isn't IAT 1976... not by a long, long way.
Oh, and I've got plenty of clues, thanks
Well, it did actually. RIAT 2014 isn't IAT 1976... not by a long, long way.
Oh, and I've got plenty of clues, thanks
Well actually, though I lead PitBull, I totally agree with The B Word & Leon. In fact I don't really want to watch any aerobatic team wander around the sky making loads of noise. I think flying is much like sex; far better to do than to watch.
But we were asked to attend and plenty of the public were interested, coming up to us and asking questions. I had a very interesting conversation with an ex Swedish Bulldog pilot who told me a lot about the weapons they carried.
However, we were a freebie for RIAT so that is why the entrance fee was so low
But we were asked to attend and plenty of the public were interested, coming up to us and asking questions. I had a very interesting conversation with an ex Swedish Bulldog pilot who told me a lot about the weapons they carried.
However, we were a freebie for RIAT so that is why the entrance fee was so low
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KPax
You are a sarcastic arse. You saw something, jumped to conclusions, chose to go public and now continue to show your ignorance in public despite being told the true facts.
I repeat, the tent was nothing to do with the Reds. It was a commercial stall selling memorabilia that hadn't been pegged down. When it went over, some of the Blues, the people you saw in blue overalls, who were nearby, being responsible individuals, went to help and also to pick up the FOD on the pan. You are blaming the wrong people.
Are you a journalist? You seem to have the right aptitude.
Strewth! I really don't know why I bother.
You are a sarcastic arse. You saw something, jumped to conclusions, chose to go public and now continue to show your ignorance in public despite being told the true facts.
I repeat, the tent was nothing to do with the Reds. It was a commercial stall selling memorabilia that hadn't been pegged down. When it went over, some of the Blues, the people you saw in blue overalls, who were nearby, being responsible individuals, went to help and also to pick up the FOD on the pan. You are blaming the wrong people.
Are you a journalist? You seem to have the right aptitude.
Strewth! I really don't know why I bother.
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and leave the air shows to folks who are actually interested in aeroplanes
What a classic line ! Of course the RAF, AAC and FAA would much rather show off their hardware in front of a bunch of portly, middle aged, anorak wearing spotters keen to scribble the numbers down in a book, rather than young boys and girls who may just be keen to start a career in the forces.
me thinks you are trolling sir !
Originally Posted by WH904
and leave the air shows to folks who are actually interested in aeroplanes
What a classic line ! Of course the RAF, AAC and FAA would much rather show off their hardware in front of a bunch of portly, middle aged, anorak wearing spotters keen to scribble the numbers down in a book, rather than young boys and girls who may just be keen to start a career in the forces.
me thinks you are trolling sir !
Well actually, though I lead PitBull, I totally agree with The B Word & Leon. In fact I don't really want to watch any aerobatic team wander around the sky making loads of noise. I think flying is much like sex; far better to do than to watch.
Did you actually display at RIAT or were you in the static park? Otherwise, I must have been in the beer tent!
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You have no soul.
When the rest of a display programme was either the Arrers, or every Nation under the sun showing off their F-16s and Tornados with their bums on fire, that display of piloting skill was just the job as an interlude.
When the rest of a display programme was either the Arrers, or every Nation under the sun showing off their F-16s and Tornados with their bums on fire, that display of piloting skill was just the job as an interlude.
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me thinks you are trolling sir !
Methinks you should learn to accept that everyone is entitled to a viewpoint and if you don't happen to agree with it, then you could express your own view - and not simply use this increasingly lazy accusation of "trolling". Is that your standard answer to anyone's views that you don't happen to like? It's a little like sticking one's fingers in one's ears.
Incidentally, the other comments you made are just as meaningless. I don't recall saying anything about the preferences of the display pilots. I simply answered another post that was in support of the standard "family show" of thrills and spills - but of no great interest to anyone who actually has a genuine interest in aircraft. If you want to insult aircraft enthusiasts then by all means go ahead. You might care to remember that the next time you look for a reference source on an aircraft (if you have sufficient interest in aircraft, that is), then you ought to be expressing some thanks to these middle aged, portly anorak wearers who have taken the time to scribble down the seemingly pointless facts and figures that you mock. Without them we'd all be the poorer.
Methinks you should learn to accept that everyone is entitled to a viewpoint and if you don't happen to agree with it, then you could express your own view - and not simply use this increasingly lazy accusation of "trolling". Is that your standard answer to anyone's views that you don't happen to like? It's a little like sticking one's fingers in one's ears.
Incidentally, the other comments you made are just as meaningless. I don't recall saying anything about the preferences of the display pilots. I simply answered another post that was in support of the standard "family show" of thrills and spills - but of no great interest to anyone who actually has a genuine interest in aircraft. If you want to insult aircraft enthusiasts then by all means go ahead. You might care to remember that the next time you look for a reference source on an aircraft (if you have sufficient interest in aircraft, that is), then you ought to be expressing some thanks to these middle aged, portly anorak wearers who have taken the time to scribble down the seemingly pointless facts and figures that you mock. Without them we'd all be the poorer.
