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Old 11th Jan 2017, 11:42   #101 (permalink)
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Russia waging information war against Sweden, study finds
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Sounds like a self-PR of the authors of this "study" to raise more funds for keep reading and "analysing "some social networks garbage. Sweden is very rare in the Russian news and I can hardly remember its mentioning in the negative context. So, please, stop escalating the tension.
Regarding fake news, those guys better recall numerous cries about Russian subs near the Swedesh shore that finally turned out to be trees or just phantoms of their imagination.
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You can't really blame them though.
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"the Russian invasion of Western Europe in 1919, of course. Hitler didn't.
The Russian target was France, turning the whole of Europe over to the Communist Empire"

UH???????? The Russians invaded Western Europe in 1919????

Must have missed that one in my Modern History class.....................
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You can't really blame them though.
Indeed,Russia is engaged in war against the West while posters like A Van talk about fluffy kittens.
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Harry, this summary is an OK overview of the same topic.
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Old 11th Jan 2017, 20:44   #107 (permalink)


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Hmm..Carl Bildt is definitelly not the swedish foreign minister as the post says
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Big big difference int odays world from the past. The threat in the post ware era through to the collapse was an ideological communist government in Russia /USSR as was with a strinng of satellite states and potential allias. China being one even if that was more ideological that.

Now they are now commies but still mange to get cast as the bad guys even though they have lost all their 'satellites/buffer states and cannot count on China as an ally. Russias still a big country but compared tot he US has a small population and the 65-75 M satellite populations are now all on the other side so its inate insecurity looms pretty large at the moment.

So they want to feel respected and rlevant so cyber warfare is on way of projecting power without risk of actual shooting war and playing around with destabilising western/NATO states being another. As they seem to have 'their man' in the White House ' and potentially aided the Brexit campaign as a way of driving a wedge between UK and Eu and therefor upsetting NATO. (the French have already put forward valid case that post Brexit they are the numero uno European military power and political influence.(also conveneint dry run for helping to get Trump in power)

Both these developments see Russia becoming strong and more relevant but not necessarily with any military objectives other than feeling they have ensured their own security through a weaken NATO.

In any case the Russians have already occupied most of the glitzy bits of London so why go to the trouble of a war
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Might be more accurate to say 'someone we can work with' rather than 'their man' in the White House ' unless hyperbole is you natural style.


Go back to 2012, and the face to face Medvedev had with Obama: 'Wait until the election's over, then I'll have more flexibility" from Obama.
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Obama told Medvedev it was important for incoming President Vladimir Putin to "give me space" on missile defense and other difficult issues and that after the 2012 presidential election he would have "more flexibility." Medvedev said he would "transmit" the message to Putin.
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Might be more accurate to say 'someone we can work with' rather than 'their man' in the White House ' unless hyperbole is you natural style.
No, it's more accurate to say Trump is Moscow's man. Unless he starts standing up to Russia rather than repeating their stock policy and propaganda line at every opportunity, I'll assume his Golden Shower fetish is real.
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Looks like it isn't only the Nordic and Baltic where Russia is interfering. I'm sure Van can authoritatively deny it all......

Cyprus fears Russia could wreck reunification - POLITICO
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"Brexit campaign as a way of driving a wedge between UK and Eu and therefor upsetting NATO"

Get outta here. Not Able To Organise.

'sides we ARE better out of the clutches of the EVIL EU. The new USSR.
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I'll assume his Golden Shower fetish is real.
Ask 4chan. Or that English weirdo who wrote that BS the CIA swallowed hook line and sinker [under the direction of Obummer 'natch]

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Difficult to comment on Cyprus. Not clear what might be the Russian interest - what is written in the article as per URL you mentioned (3rd para) is more than questionable, IMHO. Moreover, if anybody here wants to keep Turkey away from the deal, there is a direct link to Erdogan - talk to him.

In general, Cyprus is a small poor island permanently suffering from lack of water. Recall that King Richard I (the Lionheart) sold it with a "huge discount" shortly after conquering it :-) Looks like it was useless even that long ago.

Also, the Russian criminal elements that flooded Cyprus in 90's then relocated to London (where they are welcome), thus those folks unlikely have interest in this piece of land, either.
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There were still a lot of Russians in Kyrenia when I was there last year
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not so many in Dubai this winter.................
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No, it's more accurate to say Trump is Moscow's man.
Bullshit. I don't care for the man, but you are offering a caricature mixed with political propaganda. As to golden showers, what two consenting adults do in the privacy of their hotel room doesn't raise an eyebrow anymore. The year is 2017, not 1955.


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In general, Cyprus is a small poor island permanently suffering from lack of water. {snip} Looks like it was useless even that long ago.
The Turks seem to think it's valuable.
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In October Mrs H and I were at the Cheltenham Bookfest - there was a round-table discussion chaired by Lt. Gen Ben Hodges, Commander US Army Europe, He was very impressive - and very thoughtful.

In reply to a question on the Baltic he said he wasn't too worried - the threat was "known" and actions were underway. He worried much more about the Caucasus (especially Turkey/Russia), and the Black Sea - Moldova/Romania/Ukraine.

"There is no obvious threat but there is instability and that's when things can get out of control real fast"
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I don't care for the man, but you are offering a caricature mixed with political propaganda.
Watch, as Trump's prority will be the Trillion Dollar Exxon-Rosneft oilfield development. That will fund Russians military modernisation. Is that what America voted for?
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