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Old 18th Jun 2014, 14:25   #61 (permalink)
 
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t43562, many people I would say are even more sick of the BS that comes from the White House!


Crimea was part of Russia until the 1950s, now they are again. It seems right, fair and just. The west attacking Iraq though, not much right or just about that.


Putin is not a saint for sure, but he is a highly intelligent and skilled leader who does not seem to go from one disaster to another like our leaders. Plus he was most good at preventing the west from attacking Syria. Western leaders (Washington) need someone to stand up to them, now the world has Putin's Russia and the People's Republic of China!
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Before we get into slagging off Putin, remember this:
In our lifetime, everything the West [and by "the West" I mean the US and its coat tail dragger - UK] has been embroiled in - has spectacularly failed:
IRAQ - Saddam was a tyrant, but the bloodshedding that is happening now makes his regime look like the doctrine of a WI committee.
EGYPT - The US pumps (pumped) 10 BILLION dollars a year into insuring its authority in that state. To what end now? Disaster. 200 of the previous government are now sentenced to death?? Thousands of anti government protesters have been killed.
LIBYA - Don't make me laugh...................
Afghanistan - 4000 dead proud americans - dead. For what?

And the West has the gall to accuse Putin of aggression????
A totally and irefutably undeniable illegal uprising by a bunch of unruly protestors against a democratically elected government in Kiev is completely overlooked by the West. Putin (the next door neighbour) tries to assert some kind of law and order and the US and the EU scream blue murder.
The US is as much a danger to world peace than any two bit operation in the middle east or Russia will ever be - IMO.
I hope and pray China who overtook the US last month on an economic output perspective) will wrestle the mantle of THE world's superpower and put it to much better foreign policy use than ever the US/EU can and have done.

There is a scintila of light in the UK lately: Cameron was put in his place by the Parliament over Syria. William Hague has categorically said that the UK will NOT get involved militarily in the ISIS debacle The tide HAS turned (I hope) in the UK and the British Public have shouted from the rooftops that enough is enough w.r.t. foreign policy. We are TIRED (and INCAPABLE) of interfering in other peoples business. Long may it last.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...a52_story.html
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Old 18th Jun 2014, 14:36   #63 (permalink)
 
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In our lifetime, everything the West [and by "the West" I mean the US and its coat tail dragger - UK] has been embroiled in - has spectacularly failed:
How old are you TC? I'm not that old, and yet in my lifetime I can cite the list below as being anything other that spectactular failures...

Falklands
Gulf War 1
Kosovo
Sierra Leone

And they're just the ones that come instantly to mind....
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I hope and pray China who overtook the US last month on an economic output perspective) will wrestle the mantle of THE world's superpower and put it to much better foreign policy use than ever the US/EU can and have done.


Yep. Good luck with that.....
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Old 18th Jun 2014, 15:02   #65 (permalink)
 
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The US looks after its own citizens and everyone knows it. The rest of them don't. Consider the morality of that.

The reason you're feeling "sick" of western propaganda is probably because you haven't sampled the other kinds that are available.
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Mel, we should not have got involved with many of those wars.
Gulf War 1 only happened as the US wanted Saddam to invade Kuwait, the perfect excuse to get large numbers of US military forces into the region on a permanent basis.
The Falklands would not have been taken if we had kept enough forces there in the first place to deter aggression. Consider how many lives and ships it cost to retake them!
As for Balkans, it was all much better when it was Yugoslavia. Such a shame it all broke apart. Again the hand of the west could be found in that to!
The same with Ukraine right now, the hand of the west agitating and causing problems yet again!
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As for Balkans, it was all much better when it was Yugoslavia. Such a shame it all broke apart. Again the hand of the west could be found in that to!
'The West' gave Tito gangrene? Oh the humanity! !

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One of our regulars here pointed out striking similarities between Ronald Reagan and a poster on another website that's acknowledged to living in Russia.
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So 'Cornwall' is a cunning disguise eh...?
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If you're not cheating, you're not trying might be another way of viewing it.
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Memothtw: Sorry I don't remember the US being involved in the Malvinas, Balkans or Sierra Leone to any great degree
So there wasn't the opportunity to bug g er it all up.

Simple question to anyone: Why can't we (the UK) follow the ideals of countries like:

Sweden
Norway
Switzerland
Australia
N Zealand
Brazil

et al.

Healthy, wealthy, wise nations that are just quietly getting on with life and concentrating on making it a better country to live in than all these other warring nations?
Why do the likes of:

The EU
Russia
Middle East
etc

insist on topping up their Testosterone levels every couple of years and rocking the global boat?
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Old 18th Jun 2014, 18:04   #72 (permalink)
 
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Sweden (Afghanistan)
Norway (Libya, Afghanistan)
- peaceful vikings?

Switzerland
- safety in holding onto the bad guys' cash?

- Australia
Afghanistan?
Vietnam?

N Zealand
- Russia a long way away?

Brazil
- ditto?

Countries only exist because they were, at some time, prepared to fight.
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For Australia you can also add- Iraq, 2003 and East Timor before that.

New Zealand - Vietnam and Afghanistan (I don't think Willie Apiata VC and the three other NZSAS chaps decorated for the same action for which the VC was awarded were there without government knowledge).

And although very much peace-keeping, the Brazilians were invoved in both Haiti (OK, regional interst) and Timor (er...)

And as for the US not being in the Balkans - Camp Bondsteel? Deliberate Force? Dayton Accords? Allied Force? SFOR?

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No it was a fantastic outcome that was going ahead far better than I expected.
If that was a fantastic outcome I wouldn't want to see a good one, let alone a bad one....
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Sweden (Afghanistan)
Norway (Libya, Afghanistan)
- peaceful vikings?
You do have to admit, it wasn't their idea. Plus I would consider it a minor involvement. Would have happened totally unchanged w/o the Swedes

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N Zealand
- Russia a long way away?

Brazil
- ditto?
Uhhh hum....

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Countries only exist because they were, at some time, prepared to fight.
...at a place thousands of kilometers away where 80% of the population couldn't draw up on a map where that country is with an accuracy of better than 2000km ???
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TC,
No US involvement in the Balkans? Where do you think USAF F-15 and F-16 pilots got their most recent air-to-air kills?

Operation Deliberate Force - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Operation Deny Flight - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

NATO bombing of Yugoslavia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Norway also took part in the Balkan operations.

Sweden also participated in Libya. They flew reconnaissance and combat air patrols with SAAB Gripens.

Swedish Gripens deliver 37% of Libyan reconnaissance reports | defenceWeb

Australia - Iraq 2003

Australian contribution to the 2003 invasion of Iraq - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Secret SAS Squadron Sent To Spy in Africa

Another Aussie excursion. Seems the huggies are all up in arms in Oz. Seems a good idea to me to have top notch troops on the ground becoming famiar with the territory they may fight in.

The validity of Mr Coupling's argument is dropping faster than dresses on prom night.
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I think if the public knew just what and where they went they would be surprised.

The paper was an idiot for publishing it anyway.

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You were right, they were up in arms about it when it came out.
The media also highlighted a training base which although known about is not highlighted.

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Old 18th Jun 2014, 21:09   #79 (permalink)
 
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Given the lawless nature of the regions I suspect they're operating, I wish them well. Despite the notional perfect world the fluffies live in, there's a need to have folks like them in country.
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If that was a fantastic outcome I wouldn't want to see a good one, let alone a bad one....
You probably need to do some math and comparisons to demographics and social evolution in relation time frames and change.

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Simple question to anyone: Why can't we (the UK) follow the ideals of countries like:
Because their bludger's and live off the coattails who take the brunt of whats inevitable. I have taken Aus out of your list of nice huggy fluffy countries by the way

Again you all need to look at basic social interaction, what do you think, if the Yanks was to pull back, we would come together and sing kumbaya my lord.

There will always be some one trying to be top dog, and force their will on others, its nature. The fact that the Yanks have taken the burden for so long is mind boggling. Frankly the alternative is frighting.
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