Global Aviation Magazine : 60 Years of the Hercules
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The RAF did actually use JATO, but possibly only once. The 'cans' that were used were in one of the sqdn crew rooms at Rompers (dont ask which one, the sqdns were just a blur to Linies).
The auto pilot wasnt in use in the 1st year or so, think it might have been short of the locking unit. It wasnt scrounged from the Vulcan, it was merely a different version of the Smiths Mk 10 series,Vulcan, Victor, Argosy(?) used MK10A, Albert used MK10B (IIRC).
Always wondered why they didnt use MFS instead of C12, HSI etc, MFS seemed to me to be more reliable than the American fit except maybe for the MFS Beam Compass;I certainly spent more time changing C12 and MD1 gyros on the Herc than the MFS vertical and azimuth gyros on Vs. I spent 3 years at 30 M.U. stripping and rebuilding C12s and MD1s at 2 per week each and only changed a couple of azimuth and vertical gyros in 9 yrs working on the line at Waddo, Scampton and Marham. Smiths stuff was definitely better quality and could be paid for in stirling rather than greenbacks which was definitley a huge issue at the time.
MFS was fitted to Argosies and SFS to Britts as well as the Vulcan/Victor 2s, so was still an up to date system when the Herc was ordered;perhaps someone can explain the C12/HSI, MD1/ADI fit on Albert?
The auto pilot wasnt in use in the 1st year or so, think it might have been short of the locking unit. It wasnt scrounged from the Vulcan, it was merely a different version of the Smiths Mk 10 series,Vulcan, Victor, Argosy(?) used MK10A, Albert used MK10B (IIRC).
Always wondered why they didnt use MFS instead of C12, HSI etc, MFS seemed to me to be more reliable than the American fit except maybe for the MFS Beam Compass;I certainly spent more time changing C12 and MD1 gyros on the Herc than the MFS vertical and azimuth gyros on Vs. I spent 3 years at 30 M.U. stripping and rebuilding C12s and MD1s at 2 per week each and only changed a couple of azimuth and vertical gyros in 9 yrs working on the line at Waddo, Scampton and Marham. Smiths stuff was definitely better quality and could be paid for in stirling rather than greenbacks which was definitley a huge issue at the time.
MFS was fitted to Argosies and SFS to Britts as well as the Vulcan/Victor 2s, so was still an up to date system when the Herc was ordered;perhaps someone can explain the C12/HSI, MD1/ADI fit on Albert?
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Previous post may give the impression that SFS was fitted to Vs. It wasnt, only to Britts, but you already knew that, just making sure you knew that I knew that................etc etc.
Smuj I was indeed associated with Snoopy and had many happy times on her. The operating crew airframe were indeed drawn from squadrons as a posting which I unfortunately did not get. I was flying Snoops when I came back from Oman till I went back to mainline although I did fly her when on the squadrons. The Engineer and Loady were both Engineers. Manned down the back by Met research flight and maintained by civvy engineers.
Fergineer,
I just seem to remember some bar, somewhere, having that conversation with you. That's why I mentioned it. Meanwhile, an Engineer doing Loadie stuff ? Gracious, I never met and Eng who could put a tea bag in a paper cup
certainly not whilst airborne.
Stay well mate
Smudge
I just seem to remember some bar, somewhere, having that conversation with you. That's why I mentioned it. Meanwhile, an Engineer doing Loadie stuff ? Gracious, I never met and Eng who could put a tea bag in a paper cup
certainly not whilst airborne.Stay well mate
Smudge
Ahhhh, the opening lines from the flight engineer when looking at the F700: Decca Nav inop, TAC 1 loss of range lock....like sweet music 
XV203 was my favourite, just cos we did 4 months in MPA together
XV203 was my favourite, just cos we did 4 months in MPA together
pbk,
ref the JATO use by the RAF. When I was a member of the HEART there was nothing in the 'paper trail' to even suggest that JATO use had eveR been contemplated. I suspect the 'cans' you saw were souvenirs from the USAF.
ref the JATO use by the RAF. When I was a member of the HEART there was nothing in the 'paper trail' to even suggest that JATO use had eveR been contemplated. I suspect the 'cans' you saw were souvenirs from the USAF.
Latest pic. this (hopefully will be one of s sequence of three). Taken whilst on 48 Sqn at Changi. I am trying to put them in chronological order but happy to deviate to suit the thread.
I have to say AA, there really is something about Albert in the Light Stone/Dark Earth colour scheme. What a cracking picture. Unfortunately, by the time they decided to pay a Junior Technician enough money to afford himself a colour camera, they had posted me to Akronelli. I remember 70 Squadron being there during my time (73-75) with a combination of Whistling Tits and Alberts. Anyone have any photographs from those days ? Keep them coming AA, they take years off me.
Smudge
PS, I suspect Fergineer operated with most of the residents at Lyneham, he always looked a bit weather worn to me
As a current resident of KiwiLand he will probably take a few hours to respond.
Smudge
PS, I suspect Fergineer operated with most of the residents at Lyneham, he always looked a bit weather worn to me
As a current resident of KiwiLand he will probably take a few hours to respond.
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Just come back from visiting the 'Off-spring' at Toulouse ( he works for Airbus) so a bit late with my input.
When 48 started with the Herc' we had XV 198-209 inclusive; I recall the first replacement to arrive was 307, can't remember which airframe it replaced.
Re auto-pilot; when we took the a/c to Changi they were without them but I think it wasn't as long as a year before they were fitted - we have a 48 reunion on June 21st I'll try to remember to ask if anyone can remember.
That atmospheric picture of XV179 flying along the coast looks like it the east coast with maybe Pulau Tioman in the distance.
Re ADF; The receiver IIRC was behind the port main under carriage and we had no end of problems when rained poured into it. I think it was a 'No-go item' on long sea legs with limited aids.
The only time I used Decca for real was when detached from 30 to JATE in 72-3 and it was great for dropping stand-off para' from 25000' - we ran in to the release point on a Decca line using BZN Tacan and a radar fix from LATCC MIl' to get a accurate check for 'Red-on, green-on'.
JATFOR- hmmmm! One of the reasons a few of us left at our 8-year points. The thought of flying around in 36 ship formations assisting the pongoes in resisting the Russian hordes as they swept through Germany was not as appealing as good old route trips!
Crikey, all this was more than 40 years ago!!!
Brian Wildey
When 48 started with the Herc' we had XV 198-209 inclusive; I recall the first replacement to arrive was 307, can't remember which airframe it replaced.
Re auto-pilot; when we took the a/c to Changi they were without them but I think it wasn't as long as a year before they were fitted - we have a 48 reunion on June 21st I'll try to remember to ask if anyone can remember.
That atmospheric picture of XV179 flying along the coast looks like it the east coast with maybe Pulau Tioman in the distance.
Re ADF; The receiver IIRC was behind the port main under carriage and we had no end of problems when rained poured into it. I think it was a 'No-go item' on long sea legs with limited aids.
The only time I used Decca for real was when detached from 30 to JATE in 72-3 and it was great for dropping stand-off para' from 25000' - we ran in to the release point on a Decca line using BZN Tacan and a radar fix from LATCC MIl' to get a accurate check for 'Red-on, green-on'.
JATFOR- hmmmm! One of the reasons a few of us left at our 8-year points. The thought of flying around in 36 ship formations assisting the pongoes in resisting the Russian hordes as they swept through Germany was not as appealing as good old route trips!
Crikey, all this was more than 40 years ago!!!
Brian Wildey
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The thought of flying around in 36 ship formations
Glad everyone seems happy with the pics. I too liked the original colour scheme best and there are a few more in this coat to come. Brian48Nav did you recognize Mount Fuji ? I am relying on you to keep me on the straight and narrow in respect of the 48 Sqn pics !
Ah JATFOR ! I have spoken at length on another thread about my Bold Guard and Deep Furrow experiences.
AA62
Love the pictures and fully agree the original colour scheme took some beating.
I did see Mt Fuji when on a N Pacific trainer in '69 but had given up taking pictures from the Herc' after a couple of self-made cock-ups. At Saigon I took about a dozen shots from the a/c before the skipper, John Cheshire , bollo**ed me. Then found I had forgotten to wind the film on!
Then on a Kathmandu trip, we flew right up close to Everest, I took a few snaps and on processing found that the flap of the camera case had obscured half the frame! At least, by way of compensation, I became a Dad that day.
Very same off-spring when on a Tokyo trip with Virgin, about 5 years ago, led a group from the crew up Mt Fuji.
When were the astrodromes removed from the aircraft?
I did see Mt Fuji when on a N Pacific trainer in '69 but had given up taking pictures from the Herc' after a couple of self-made cock-ups. At Saigon I took about a dozen shots from the a/c before the skipper, John Cheshire , bollo**ed me. Then found I had forgotten to wind the film on!
Then on a Kathmandu trip, we flew right up close to Everest, I took a few snaps and on processing found that the flap of the camera case had obscured half the frame! At least, by way of compensation, I became a Dad that day
. Very same off-spring when on a Tokyo trip with Virgin, about 5 years ago, led a group from the crew up Mt Fuji.
When were the astrodromes removed from the aircraft?
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Re this,
"At Saigon I took about a dozen shots from the a/c before the skipper, John Cheshire , bollo**ed me."
May I ask why he "bollo**ed me" ?
Re this,
"At Saigon I took about a dozen shots from the a/c before the skipper, John Cheshire , bollo**ed me."
May I ask why he "bollo**ed me" ?