Ukraine Crisis 2014
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I agree with Hangershuffel on what we will do, I don't agree with that is what we should do.
I have said on many occasions, this is being very carefully played out to try and not set off particular triggers, and give particular political ways out.
A fuse to the situation could easliy have been done, and still could be. Western forces at the Invitation of the Ukrainian government and on the ground. Russia does not, and will not risk open warfare with powers in particular us, that could give him a blood nose.
He would be as mad as hell, and their would be economic consequences. But the fact its a sovereign country and they can invite who they like in is their business.
This could quickly be cleaned up by Western forces once the Russians are bought into line, hell the Ukrainians have been doing it with one hand and foot tied behind their back.
I have said on many occasions, this is being very carefully played out to try and not set off particular triggers, and give particular political ways out.
A fuse to the situation could easliy have been done, and still could be. Western forces at the Invitation of the Ukrainian government and on the ground. Russia does not, and will not risk open warfare with powers in particular us, that could give him a blood nose.
He would be as mad as hell, and their would be economic consequences. But the fact its a sovereign country and they can invite who they like in is their business.
This could quickly be cleaned up by Western forces once the Russians are bought into line, hell the Ukrainians have been doing it with one hand and foot tied behind their back.
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And still the rest of the Worlds leaders spout the usual rubbish, it's like watching King Canute.
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Crimea is largely useless if the US and other noble powers blockade the dardenelles. (and yes a blockade is an act of war)
Do a "feel free to leave, but you can't come back" sort of thing. There lots of all sorts of technical things they could that could stumble the Russians unless the Russians wanted to go to war.
The fact is we don't have a spine in the west, even though there are technical measures that we could do that could allow him a way out if he wasn't prepared to escalate.
Apart from lots of political talking and perhaps even deeper economic sanctions, there is no appetite in the west to do a single thing about Russian involvement in the Ukraine. We will stand back and merely watch the proceedings play out in due course. The more interesting question that should be debated now is what will we (NATO) do if Russia invades the Ukraine totally and ends up with a large concentration of force right up to the NATO border.
Back to a cold war posture perhaps, or will Europe continue to slash and burn on defence spending and rely on hope that Russian ambitions end with the Ukraine?
Back to a cold war posture perhaps, or will Europe continue to slash and burn on defence spending and rely on hope that Russian ambitions end with the Ukraine?
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Separately, Human Rights Watch said in a report that the rebels were subjecting civilians to torture, degrading treatment and forced labour.
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I very much doubt Ukraine will be joining NATO anytime soon if at all.
Hopefully it won't be allowed to happen and hopefully the west won't keep sticking its nose into things which are none of its business.
Hopefully it won't be allowed to happen and hopefully the west won't keep sticking its nose into things which are none of its business.
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Best leader in the world
VICTORY PARADE ANTHEM 2012 SOVIET RUSSIAN - YouTube
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Ukraine-Russia crisis: live - Telegraph
Very frightening situation now. We (England, that is- it wont be Britain shortly and no way will Scotland join to go along with this fiasco) could blunder into this conflict very easily. A simple misjudgement would be all it takes. Already hundreds if not thousand dead (from people worldwide remember) at the moment with terrible further potential.
1.Need to recall Parliament.
2.Get an anti-war movement going rapidly.
3.Parliament needs to be told the facts, and the people need to tell their MPs where they stand.
4. Got to keep out of this debacle.
Very frightening situation now. We (England, that is- it wont be Britain shortly and no way will Scotland join to go along with this fiasco) could blunder into this conflict very easily. A simple misjudgement would be all it takes. Already hundreds if not thousand dead (from people worldwide remember) at the moment with terrible further potential.
1.Need to recall Parliament.
2.Get an anti-war movement going rapidly.
3.Parliament needs to be told the facts, and the people need to tell their MPs where they stand.
4. Got to keep out of this debacle.
Doesn't 4 depend on the outcome of 3?
Or have we already decided the outcome of 3 and will keep asking 3 until we get the answer we desire for 4?
Just saying.....
Or have we already decided the outcome of 3 and will keep asking 3 until we get the answer we desire for 4?
Just saying.....
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Putin: Ukraine Assault Like Nazis In WW2
Why the West should let Russia have eastern Ukraine
https://theweek.com/article/index/26...astern-ukraine
Why the West should let Russia have eastern Ukraine
https://theweek.com/article/index/26...astern-ukraine
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Lavrov playing the silly propaganda game. The images are from Digital Globe and easily verifiable by those wishing to purchase them.
Ukraine crisis: Nato images show Russian soldiers, artillery and armoured vehicles in 'military operations' in eastern Ukraine - Europe - World - The Independent
The previous video game imagery was created by a You Tube user and widely circulated. Lavrov just makes himself look silly by making such claims.
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/deb...nch-fake.4025/
NATO released imagery at following links.
http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/photos_112112.htm
http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/news_112103.htm
The Russian Foreign Minister, Sergey Lavrov, acknowledged reports about the satellite images on Friday but claimed previous imagery was from video games and the Nato photos "happen to be much the same quality".
The previous video game imagery was created by a You Tube user and widely circulated. Lavrov just makes himself look silly by making such claims.
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/deb...nch-fake.4025/
NATO released imagery at following links.
http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/photos_112112.htm
http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/news_112103.htm
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it's like watching King Canute.
"The G7 leaders have a gameplan"
They have a gameplan to get re-elected.They haven't a f#cking clue about international politics. If we are very, very lucky, assorted senior officials will put something together and be listened to.
They have a gameplan to get re-elected.They haven't a f#cking clue about international politics. If we are very, very lucky, assorted senior officials will put something together and be listened to.
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Another one for Ronald.
Some independent Russian journalists were trying to check the graves of some Pskov Division paratroopers recently 'deceased due to training accidents'. They had a welcome committee waiting:
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