Ukraine Crisis 2014
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I think considering the vast majority of the trucks where basically empty (from various reports) that it was a win win scenario for Putin. He gets the trucks in and out and he gets a propaganda victory at home.
But that is the loose scenario, the real win scenario was bait, which didn't work. We know that Russia has been operating in Ukraine, what he needed was a pretext to do it openly. I think he was hoping the Ukrainians would use force against it.
As such all the troops massed on the border could use that as a pretext to operate openly instead of as unmarked terrorists and criminals that they are doing now.
But that is the loose scenario, the real win scenario was bait, which didn't work. We know that Russia has been operating in Ukraine, what he needed was a pretext to do it openly. I think he was hoping the Ukrainians would use force against it.
As such all the troops massed on the border could use that as a pretext to operate openly instead of as unmarked terrorists and criminals that they are doing now.
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Originally Posted by highflyer40
time for NATO to take a more direct role.
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
One offhand thought that I had: were the trucks checked on their way out? i.e. could their purpose have been to take something away?
Ukraine accuses Russian aid convoy of stealing factory equipment
Job done, one hundred and eighty-four Russian trucks from an aid convoy that entered Ukraine yesterday have re-crossed the border back into Russia......
Now the government says it knows why there were so many empty lorries, and its suspicions have been confirmed.
“Our operational information tells us the trucks that came into Ukraine pretending to be a humanitarian convoy were used to load the “Topaz” production unit for the ultra-modern “Kolchuga” radar, and equipment from a factory in Luhansk that makes specialised ammunition magazines,” said the National Security and Defence Council spokesman Andriy Lysenko.
Ukraine is home to many high-tech plants vital for Russia’s space, missile, defence and aeronautics industries. Indeed many companies continue to do business with Russia despite the war raging in the east, and management loyalties are often divided between Moscow and Kyiv.
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Thanks ORAC. Something believable at last.
The Russians won't give up. Another incursion of Russian forces into Novoazovsk aimed at, presumably, Mariupol. 30 Russian tanks plus APCs etc
#Novoazovsk is on fire
http://www.0629.com.ua/news/604604?u...utm_medium=api (Russian)
RT.com also had a article claiming that thousands of Ukrainian Forces were encircled south of Donetsk, the Russian border being part of that encirclement and the flanking forces were moving north from Russia, of course.
#Novoazovsk is on fire
http://www.0629.com.ua/news/604604?u...utm_medium=api (Russian)
RT.com also had a article claiming that thousands of Ukrainian Forces were encircled south of Donetsk, the Russian border being part of that encirclement and the flanking forces were moving north from Russia, of course.
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its all about helping the innocent civilians.
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I was taught, RR, to address the post, not the poster - but in this case...
While there are always two sides to any story, some of your more recent posts suggest that you're big on opinion - but short on facts.
Please look, listen and learn - then you might be given some credibility.
We're all trying to make some sense out of what's going on with this "most interesting situation".
As credible information comes to hand, we add it to the mix, give it a stir and then see what the pudding looks like, so to speak.
I, for one, would be most interested to hear a worthwhile contribution from you,
Cheers.
While there are always two sides to any story, some of your more recent posts suggest that you're big on opinion - but short on facts.
Please look, listen and learn - then you might be given some credibility.
We're all trying to make some sense out of what's going on with this "most interesting situation".
As credible information comes to hand, we add it to the mix, give it a stir and then see what the pudding looks like, so to speak.
I, for one, would be most interested to hear a worthwhile contribution from you,
Cheers.
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If you want to know what is really going on I suggest you check out Graham Phillips
Graham W Phillips | Journalist
He is a reporter currently in Lugansk. He will give you a good idea of what is going on. I think Twitter and Facebook are where he posts most information, most of it very recent:-
https://twitter.com/GrahamWP_UK
https://www.facebook.com/grahamwilliamphillips
You all need to remember, if the west had not engaged in regime change in Ukraine then none of this would be happening, there would be peace in Ukraine.
Graham W Phillips | Journalist
He is a reporter currently in Lugansk. He will give you a good idea of what is going on. I think Twitter and Facebook are where he posts most information, most of it very recent:-
https://twitter.com/GrahamWP_UK
https://www.facebook.com/grahamwilliamphillips
You all need to remember, if the west had not engaged in regime change in Ukraine then none of this would be happening, there would be peace in Ukraine.
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If Yanukovych had not been ousted there would almost certainly not be a separatist uprising in the east. The uprising in the east is a direct result of the democratically leader Yanukovych being ousted, he had majority support in the east. This whole thing is due to Washington's desire to get ever closer to Russia and to encircle them (likely punishment for Russia preventing western military intervention in Syria). The EU is also to blame for its continued expansionism.
I know people in Eastern Ukraine also and none of them like what happened in Kiev and they do not like the new direction the country is going in.
Russia is naturally going to support people who are loyal to it, it is next door to them after all and this land was originally Russian anyhow. So one cannot blame them for being involved. They have far more right to be there than what we in the west do to be in the middle east in the way we are.
I know people in Eastern Ukraine also and none of them like what happened in Kiev and they do not like the new direction the country is going in.
Russia is naturally going to support people who are loyal to it, it is next door to them after all and this land was originally Russian anyhow. So one cannot blame them for being involved. They have far more right to be there than what we in the west do to be in the middle east in the way we are.