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Old 24th Oct 2014, 13:30
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Just to nail this one and put it to bed...Roland and Camelspyder...I concur (ooh dejavu)

I'm not suggesting (and I don't think anybody else is either) that any outfit can cough up spare bodies...nobody has spare bodies these days.

I'm suggesting that sooner rather than later, the RN will be the only outfit in our military system capable of producing acoustics operators...in fact that may be the case already.
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Old 24th Oct 2014, 14:22
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PA. I did. Only so long you can hold back!!
TOFO. you seem to have a very strong opinion of Seedcorn and the limitations thereof. I'm curious as to where you are getting your information
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Old 24th Oct 2014, 14:37
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I'm suggesting that sooner rather than later, the RN will be the only outfit in our military system capable of producing acoustics operators...in fact that may be the case already.
The RAF currently trains acoustics operators.
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Old 24th Oct 2014, 14:43
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It is not only "patrol" required it is "attack" capability.
The Nimrod could carry a large variety of stores from depth charges to guided torpedos and even nuclear depth charges.
We have nothing similar other than helicopters, which can carry some attack stores, but do not have sufficient range.
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Old 24th Oct 2014, 15:21
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@examined, and get 200 miles lightest in 30-40 minutes.
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The RAF currently trains acoustics operators.
That I did not know, thanks for the info. More than happy to be corrected.

TOFO. you seem to have a very strong opinion of Seedcorn and the limitations thereof
I don't know what you are fishing for. My information comes from the public domain, plus my expertise as ex kipper fleet man. Seedcorn's limitations are pretty clear are they not (the clue is in the name and how it came into being). If you are referring to it's lifespan...again, common sense I would say.

I might know some of the folks on it...then again, I might not
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But on a more significant note...it is nice to see that the discussion on the future prospects of restoring the MPA capability has moved away from the emotions of the MRA4 and, for the time being a least, silly season on the fanciful vehicles.

I have been pessimistic in the past...but never quite at zero percent so to speak. I am more optimistic now (for quite a few reasons, which need not detain us) but I still feel the costs and difficulties are being understated and with the UK "recovery" quite likely to go into a full stall shortly, I'm still hovering about the 50/50, we might, we might not.

but just to be clear - I want it back as much as any of you out there. I just don't indulge in wishful thinking.
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Old 25th Oct 2014, 14:25
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@camelspyder
The RAF currently trains acoustics operators.


Are you saying we have the capability, or are actually training acoustic operators?
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Old 25th Oct 2014, 14:38
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The Nimrod could carry a large variety of stores from depth charges to guided torpedos and even nuclear depth charges.
The air-dropped Depth Charge disappeared from the RAF inventory in the late '60s. The Nimrod never carried them.

I claim to be the last RAF pilot to drop a stick of Depth Charges, when in 1973 I was on an exchange tour in Australia flying the Lockheed Neptune.
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SAAF Ysterplaat

Just been to see the SAAF Shack at Ysterplaat airbase in Cape Town. Shall I bring it home with me next week?


FORTITER IN RE. (Coincidentally the base motto, mirroring that of Maritime's finest.) That's 42 for our less knowledgeable readers!

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Old 25th Oct 2014, 14:46
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FORTITER IN RE. (Coincidentally the base motto, mirroring that of Maritime's
finest.) That's 42 for our less knowledgeable readers!
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Cough, cough, ahem, ahem
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The RAF currently trains acoustics operators.


Are you saying we have the capability, or are actually training acoustic operators?

Yes & Yes...


but I was perhaps disingenuous...


since I did not specify the customer
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Old 25th Oct 2014, 17:12
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Would it be worth a civilian operator just offering a platform like the P3 to the RAF on a retainer contract? Minimal cost, then when needed it can be flown by the operator, specialist crew in the back as required until mod make a decision on long term martime platform.
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Old 26th Oct 2014, 11:14
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Oh really.....
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Old 26th Oct 2014, 14:49
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42 - The answer to the ultimate question of Life, the Universe and Everything
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42 - The pink torpedo Sqn.

offering a platform like the P3 to the RAF
I'll run the OMS/MCT/FMS/BAT.
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B57 Nuclear Bomb

Mr Neptunus Rex sir, while the British atomic weapons may have disappeared from the RAF inventory in the late 60's ...

A brief google discovered this ...

"The B57 could be deployed by most U.S. fighter, bomber and Navy antisubmarine warfare and patrol aircraft (S-3 Viking and P-3 Orion), and by some U.S. Navy helicopters including the SH-3 Sea King. The B57 was also deployed with Canada's CF-104s in Germany, and the Royal Air Force's Nimrod from RAF St Mawgan and RAF Kinloss in the UK and Malta in the Mediterranean."

I seem to recall it being said that it would take a weapon of this type to crack the hull of some of the Titanium hulled boats we used to chase around after.

also,
there were a number of other weapon types available to be carried by Nimrod's but which were not used - like the sea mines, (the name of which escapes me for the moment)
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Old 26th Oct 2014, 18:51
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HAS59, with respect, what N Rex said was perfectly correct.

Your opening statement was not. British nuclear weapons were available much later.

You mention sea mines; the Vulcan was also designed for mines but they are a very blunt weapon and can deny passage to own forces.
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Old 26th Oct 2014, 19:13
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I should have read it twice ...

Thanks PN,

Yes he said "Air dropped depth charge"

I was referring to the Air Dropped Nuclear Depth Charge (B-57, US supplied for selected NATO allies)

I said " while the British atomic weapons may have disappeared ..." I wasn't saying that they had. It is well documented that the WE177 was around for quite a while after then, but surely not as a depth charge from fixed wing aircraft. (Although you have to feel for the poor souls delivering one from a Wasp!)

The Smart Mine available to the Nimrod was the Stonefish, not all that blunt an instrument as it is able to detect the acoustic signatures of passing ships to determine their validity as a target.

It would be interesting to speculate the range and types of weapon a Future UK Maritime Patrol Aircraft would carry.
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...and there's still Seedcorn...
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