S-3 Viking reborn?
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Seeing how well the S2F Tracker has had a second career following its retirement from the US Navy, it does surprise me that as yet there has been no serious interest in the Viking from similar quarters. I'd happily see some in RAF colours, if only as a stopgap, and it would make an ideal aircraft for the Falklands, providing maritime surveillance and a refuelling capability for the Tiffies (I know, never in a month of Sundays).
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USN is going to need some serious ASW kit just to 'counter' the increasing Chinese sub fleet.
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Really? Why? Russia's sub fleet is far superior to China's both in terms of quantity and quality. Whatever's good enough to take on the Russian sub threat should be plenty good enough to take on China's.
Add that to the Russians...
Anyhoo, why so arsey about an off hand comment? Chill out ffs.
Also, I wrote it before Putin really started getting pi55y in Ukraine.
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KenV: Really? Why? Russia's sub fleet is far superior to China's both in terms of quantity and quality. Whatever's good enough to take on the Russian sub threat should be plenty good enough to take on China's.
KenV: Really? Why? Russia's sub fleet is far superior to China's both in terms of quantity and quality. Whatever's good enough to take on the Russian sub threat should be plenty good enough to take on China's.
As far as SSN's go the Russian Alfa's are gone, and you could likely count the remaining Victor's, Sierra's, and Akulas with barely taking your socks off- and I would question the material condition of several of those hulls. Been quite awhile since a new launch, and the entire fleet has been very negelcted.
New Russian projects, like the Yasen SSN, the Lada diesel boat and the new boomer, have been lingering for decades. Will be interesting to see how many enter full service, if they do.
China is moving ahead with Shangs and Type 095's, and improved boomers and diesel boats. Perhaps their first generation of everything were behind by western standards, but they have been quick to learn/steal/buy and improve on everything. And they have the money to do so- unlike Russia.
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"New Russian projects, like the Yasen SSN, the Lada diesel boat and the new boomer, have been lingering for decades. Will be interesting to see how many enter full service, if they do."
Russian Navy commissions third Borei-class submarine - Naval Technology
"New Russian projects, like the Yasen SSN, the Lada diesel boat and the new boomer, have been lingering for decades. Will be interesting to see how many enter full service, if they do."
Russian Navy commissions third Borei-class submarine - Naval Technology
The S3A, certainly during my time with USN, was just not regarded as a very good ASW platform
I recall the S-3A having early problems with the mission computers dumping the load after the cat shot. Not sure if they got that wholly fixed.
I did some ASW work in the mid 80's with S-3's. They were pretty good to have around. Crew dependent, as with any ASW platform.
I did some ASW work in the mid 80's with S-3's. They were pretty good to have around. Crew dependent, as with any ASW platform.
One wonders whether the Merlin HM2 mission system (obviously without the dipping sonar) might port across? If you wanted to be really clever, adding Crowsnest (or one option anyway) would get you a decent MMA. The S3B had an ISAR pod at one stage in the 90s that worked very well in the overland role too.
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I know some pinger observers who did the S3 exchange and they were quite complimentary about the beast. All black magic to me though, obviously.
The idea that 4 crew is not enough to do ASW I find quite humorous......
In the RN we have never considered tuning the radios to be a job worthy of 1 man's undivided attention.
The idea that 4 crew is not enough to do ASW I find quite humorous......
In the RN we have never considered tuning the radios to be a job worthy of 1 man's undivided attention.
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The GPDC mission computer formerly fitted in the S3 can now only be viewed at the Smithsonian. It was the size and weight of Cyril Smith.
Things have moved on a tad.
Think shoe box 5" x 8" x 13 "weighing in about 16 KG.
As for the Acoustics, same size less weight.
General Dynamics? Acoustic Processor Selected for Republic of Korea P-3 Aircraft Upgrade Program
http://www.gdcanada.com/products/und...ts/uys505.html
And no, I don't work for them !
Things have moved on a tad.
Think shoe box 5" x 8" x 13 "weighing in about 16 KG.
As for the Acoustics, same size less weight.
General Dynamics? Acoustic Processor Selected for Republic of Korea P-3 Aircraft Upgrade Program
http://www.gdcanada.com/products/und...ts/uys505.html
And no, I don't work for them !
The GPDC mission computer formerly fitted in the S3 can now only be viewed at the Smithsonian. It was the size and weight of Cyril Smith.
Things have moved on a tad.
Things have moved on a tad.
I gathered that he wasn't impressed.
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In the RN we have never considered tuning the radios to be a job worthy of 1 man's undivided attention.
IIRC, the S-3B had better mission equipment ...
Well crap. I may be nostalgic, but I'd rather see the S-3 revived ...
I don't doubt. that part of the decision was that a small fleet of S-3's would have a higher overhead percentage than adding another role/mod to the V-22.
I don't doubt. that part of the decision was that a small fleet of S-3's would have a higher overhead percentage than adding another role/mod to the V-22.
The story moves on, with Lockheed said to talking to South Korea, Vietnam, one other Asian nation, and one South American nation FIDAE 2016: South Korea to pave way for further S-3 Viking sales | IHS Jane's 360
The story moves on, with Lockheed said to talking to South Korea, Vietnam, one other Asian nation, and one South American nation FIDAE 2016: South Korea to pave way for further S-3 Viking sales | IHS Jane's 360