Wing Commander Spry
Tuc
As always, wise words. However, you mention "elephants in the room"; the one "elephant in the room" that is often missed is the neccesity of 'getting the job done' with the equipment we are given. Reality is never perfect and sometimes we have to use the substandard equipment/infrastructure and 'get the job done' whilst keeping the risks 'As Low As Reasonably Practicable' (ALARP). Sadly, we are starting to get to a place where we will never be able to do anything (just like the HSE allows no-one to use ladders to paint buildings with and use more expensive staging, towers, cherry pickers and scaffolding!).
Everything in moderation, consult wisely amongst real operators/users, understand/manage the risks and use common-sense and we won't go far wrong. However, it all boils down to how much risk is acceptable - in my book, within the more dangerous world of mil aviation, then this risk might be more than we like to think to 'get the job done' if it is operationally necessary.
LJ
As always, wise words. However, you mention "elephants in the room"; the one "elephant in the room" that is often missed is the neccesity of 'getting the job done' with the equipment we are given. Reality is never perfect and sometimes we have to use the substandard equipment/infrastructure and 'get the job done' whilst keeping the risks 'As Low As Reasonably Practicable' (ALARP). Sadly, we are starting to get to a place where we will never be able to do anything (just like the HSE allows no-one to use ladders to paint buildings with and use more expensive staging, towers, cherry pickers and scaffolding!).
Everything in moderation, consult wisely amongst real operators/users, understand/manage the risks and use common-sense and we won't go far wrong. However, it all boils down to how much risk is acceptable - in my book, within the more dangerous world of mil aviation, then this risk might be more than we like to think to 'get the job done' if it is operationally necessary.
LJ
Leon, the discussion here has nothing whatsoever to do with the necessity of risk taking in military aviation, unless of course you mean knowingly releasing an unairworthy aircraft into military service. That would undermine military aviation capability and enhance the risk for no good military purpose.
Wg Cdr Spry:
and therein lies the rub. No Airworthiness Authority or Air Accident Investigator should have any master other than themselves. That the MAA and the MAAIB do not obey that simple requirement is at the root of all that has gone wrong in UK Military Aviation and is the first thing that must be put right.
SOSL:
And time is of the essence, as lives are at stake. One of these two papers is untrue, simply because they are totally incompatible with one another:
http://www.official-documents.gov.uk.../1025/1025.pdf
https://sites.google.com/site/milita...orthiness/home
If ever there were a case of a need of mass RAF CRM then this is the time. This isn't a matter of sharp practise in Military Pensions, or sub standard MQs, or shattered career ladders, all of which might be summarised by the "If you can't take a joke then you shouldn't have joined" response. This is about the RAF's sole raison d'etre; aviation. Anyone who knows anything at all about that knows enough to know that you don't take liberties with it or it will bight your "arrse" off. The MAA and the MAAIB are presently doing just that, and the MOD policy is that is the right course to take. Are they right?
Wg Cdr Spry:
we all have our masters
SOSL:
If it's not true then we are wasting our time
http://www.official-documents.gov.uk.../1025/1025.pdf
https://sites.google.com/site/milita...orthiness/home
If ever there were a case of a need of mass RAF CRM then this is the time. This isn't a matter of sharp practise in Military Pensions, or sub standard MQs, or shattered career ladders, all of which might be summarised by the "If you can't take a joke then you shouldn't have joined" response. This is about the RAF's sole raison d'etre; aviation. Anyone who knows anything at all about that knows enough to know that you don't take liberties with it or it will bight your "arrse" off. The MAA and the MAAIB are presently doing just that, and the MOD policy is that is the right course to take. Are they right?
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Leon
Sorry, sporadic access to technology at the moment.
What Chug says is correct. The vast majority of what I post about refers to (a) attaining airworthiness and (b) maintaining it. That two sided coin is a mandatory pre-requisite to you having an aircraft that you can then make your fitness for purpose (operational) decision about. Having maintained said aircraft, I'm not unfamiliar with the decisions you have to make.
That is why Lord Philip reminded MoD in his report that (in old speak) the CA Release is mandated upon ACAS. The evidence, supplied inadvertently by MoD, revealed that mandated process had been serially ignored and false declarations made that it had been adhered to. In other words, an avoidable accident could have been avoided by implementing perfectly good, simple regulations, long before you ever saw the aircraft. The MAA is now engaged in re-inventing that good wheel, while completely ignoring the underlying culture that permitted, in fact encouraged, the false declarations.
Sorry, sporadic access to technology at the moment.
What Chug says is correct. The vast majority of what I post about refers to (a) attaining airworthiness and (b) maintaining it. That two sided coin is a mandatory pre-requisite to you having an aircraft that you can then make your fitness for purpose (operational) decision about. Having maintained said aircraft, I'm not unfamiliar with the decisions you have to make.
That is why Lord Philip reminded MoD in his report that (in old speak) the CA Release is mandated upon ACAS. The evidence, supplied inadvertently by MoD, revealed that mandated process had been serially ignored and false declarations made that it had been adhered to. In other words, an avoidable accident could have been avoided by implementing perfectly good, simple regulations, long before you ever saw the aircraft. The MAA is now engaged in re-inventing that good wheel, while completely ignoring the underlying culture that permitted, in fact encouraged, the false declarations.
Dear Spry,
Earlier you wrote:
To which Internet site do you refer?
Earlier you wrote:
Now that Percy has finally worked out how to use our scanner, I will be uploading the back issues of Air Clues to our Internet site.
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I will be uploading the first batch to the flight safety page on the main MoD web site next week. At the moment there is a small taster on our 'Facebore' page to keep you going.
Yours aye
Spry
I will be uploading the first batch to the flight safety page on the main MoD web site next week. At the moment there is a small taster on our 'Facebore' page to keep you going.
Yours aye
Spry
Marketing?
Dear Uncle Spry,
Thanks for your reply. Is the 'Flight safety page on the main MoD web site' a closed site, or viewable by retired, now-sadly-civilian filth such as yours truly?
Notwithstanding Crown Indifference, Data Protection and other such nanny-state bolleaux, perhaps you might consider marketing Percy's excellent work through a deserving charriddddyy (not 'arf, mate) such as RAFBF, H4H et al.? Many of us would, as I'm sure you'll realise, gladly cough up for local access to TeeEmm and Air Clues from days, weeks, months and years gone by....
At a rough guess, I'd say £20 for 5 years of TeeEmm / Air Clues would be a Billy-bargain buy. Kick some ar$e with the MoD marketing faggots and see what can be done? Please? Pretty (within limits) please?
With very best wishes,
Your infuriating nephew,
BEagle
PS - I don't do 'Me...me...it's all about me!!' Far$ebore (
) or Tw@tter yoof-meeja sites...
Thanks for your reply. Is the 'Flight safety page on the main MoD web site' a closed site, or viewable by retired, now-sadly-civilian filth such as yours truly?
Notwithstanding Crown Indifference, Data Protection and other such nanny-state bolleaux, perhaps you might consider marketing Percy's excellent work through a deserving charriddddyy (not 'arf, mate) such as RAFBF, H4H et al.? Many of us would, as I'm sure you'll realise, gladly cough up for local access to TeeEmm and Air Clues from days, weeks, months and years gone by....
At a rough guess, I'd say £20 for 5 years of TeeEmm / Air Clues would be a Billy-bargain buy. Kick some ar$e with the MoD marketing faggots and see what can be done? Please? Pretty (within limits) please?
With very best wishes,
Your infuriating nephew,
BEagle
PS - I don't do 'Me...me...it's all about me!!' Far$ebore (
) or Tw@tter yoof-meeja sites...
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Spry,
Welcome, I first came across you writings in the Yatesbury libbrary, in 1952! You have survived very well.
I bought a CD of TM's a few years ago.
They are in PDF format, surely the MOD still has the copyright and has a copy of the CD.
So putting them on a website should be simple.
Welcome, I first came across you writings in the Yatesbury libbrary, in 1952! You have survived very well.
I bought a CD of TM's a few years ago.
They are in PDF format, surely the MOD still has the copyright and has a copy of the CD.
So putting them on a website should be simple.
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Legacy Air Clues / Tee Emm
Unfortunately I no longer have e-versions of past editions of Air Clues. However Percy has been working hard with the scanning gadget and I have now had the first batch uploaded to our MoD web site.
I will continue to upload them as they get produced. I am making no charge for this material as flight safety knowledge should be shared freely, in my humble opinion. That being said, if you should wish to make a charitable donation to the RAF Benevolent Fund then please do so.
Please enjoy reading our very first publications at the following link
RAF - RAF Flight Safety Legacy Publications
As the poularity of our Facebook page grows I will be adding more and more content. In order for me to guage support for this page I closely monitor its usage and activity. To that end please 'like' the page if you are subscribed to Facebook.
http://www.facebook.com/RAFFlightSafety
Yours aye
Spry
I will continue to upload them as they get produced. I am making no charge for this material as flight safety knowledge should be shared freely, in my humble opinion. That being said, if you should wish to make a charitable donation to the RAF Benevolent Fund then please do so.
Please enjoy reading our very first publications at the following link
RAF - RAF Flight Safety Legacy Publications
As the poularity of our Facebook page grows I will be adding more and more content. In order for me to guage support for this page I closely monitor its usage and activity. To that end please 'like' the page if you are subscribed to Facebook.
http://www.facebook.com/RAFFlightSafety
Yours aye
Spry
Wg Cdr Spry
Thanks for the Tee-Emm link - fascinating! Any chance of old Air Clues as well? The one's I read in the RAF Club Library from the 60s made a great read as well. It would appear there are no new mistakes in aviation - only ones to be re-learned!
Aye
LJ
Thanks for the Tee-Emm link - fascinating! Any chance of old Air Clues as well? The one's I read in the RAF Club Library from the 60s made a great read as well. It would appear there are no new mistakes in aviation - only ones to be re-learned!
Aye
LJ
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LJ ... I believe that is the Wing Co's plan ... and why Percy is working like a "one armed paper hangar"
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I now have Air Clues from the 1950's ready to go however I will have to wait until the magazines are declassified before they can be uploaded.
Have to be a bit careful there...
But thanks, Spry old bean, they'll be well worth waiting for....
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Unfortunately I am unable to upload them to the Internet until I get the Restricted caveat removed. Hopefully it will be pretty straight forward and I can provide some Cold War bed time reading. For those of you with DII access I will be uploading them to the RAF Flight Safety team site this week, or rather Percy will be.
Yours aye
Spry
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Good news.
I have had the restricted caveat removed from the old editions of Air Clues.
However, the RAF web site is unable to cope with the size and number of the files. Until Percy finds a work around we are somewhat stalled. I will happily take suggestions on this issue.
Yours aye
Spry
I have had the restricted caveat removed from the old editions of Air Clues.
However, the RAF web site is unable to cope with the size and number of the files. Until Percy finds a work around we are somewhat stalled. I will happily take suggestions on this issue.
Yours aye
Spry
Sadly, Spry, old boy, your scanning has let you down. Looking at your Tee-Emms, it looks like Command Graphics or Repro-Graphics have scanned each page as a picture - hence they are ~9 mega bytes for a small 15-odd page document! If they had used OCR (optical character recognition) and scanned the pictures as JPGs then the files would be less than 2 mega bytes.
I suggest that you get them to scan the Air Clues and Tee-Emms to a more manageable size.
LJ
I suggest that you get them to scan the Air Clues and Tee-Emms to a more manageable size.
LJ