V-22 Osprey Air Refuel F-35Bs for CVFs? + other stuff
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There is never going to be a hold for SRVL if a VL can be performed otherwise. A judgement will be made - SRVLs - if utilised - will not be mandatory; unless needed in an emergency I'll assume. Already it has been made clear by Peter Wilson that the SRVL may not be used operationally (a quote probably about one year ago now). However SRVL has been under longstanding scrutiny as we know, with many years to go before actual testing on a CVF, rather than computer simulation or land based testing.
IF the UK want something better than the KPP requires then that is not relevant to anyone other than the UK. For the moment the VLBB is good to go. These days references are made to a 300lb weight margin for the F-35B - I gather this refers to the VLBB margin. Cool as.
Preparing for take-off: UK ramps up F-35 carrier integration effort 11 Dec 2008 International Defence Review
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JSF programme to proceed with UK-specific land-based carrier trials Gareth Jennings 09 Jul 2012
JSF programme to proceed with UK-specific land-based carrier trials - Farnborough 2012 | IHS Jane's
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Minor cracks found in part of F-35 B-model fighter plane 10 Oct 2013 Andrea Shalal-Esa
Minor cracks found in part of F-35 B-model fighter plane | Reuters
IF the UK want something better than the KPP requires then that is not relevant to anyone other than the UK. For the moment the VLBB is good to go. These days references are made to a 300lb weight margin for the F-35B - I gather this refers to the VLBB margin. Cool as.
Preparing for take-off: UK ramps up F-35 carrier integration effort 11 Dec 2008 International Defence Review
"...said Rosa. “Also, the ability to ditch weapons and carry out a vertical landing instead of an SRVL in the event of a failure was seen as a powerful safety mitigation.”..."
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JSF programme to proceed with UK-specific land-based carrier trials Gareth Jennings 09 Jul 2012
"...With regard the SVRL landing technique, which is designed to increase the aircraft's fuel &/or weapons bring back capacity, Wilson said that the Program Office is continuing the support the UK-specific work in this field, although he added that the UK government has not yet decided if it will adopt this technique on the 2 Queen Elizabeth-class ships (CVF) when they enter service....”
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Minor cracks found in part of F-35 B-model fighter plane 10 Oct 2013 Andrea Shalal-Esa
"...the B-model had 300 pounds (136 kg) of extra weight margin...."
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Six V-22s to Israel
I wonder what new capabilities will be developed by the Israelis with their V-22s. Will this capability be made available to others? Perhaps some of the already mooted new uses for the V-22 will be developed.
Israel to Buy Six V-22 Ospreys From U.S. in First Sale 01 Nov 2013 Tony Capaccio
Israel to Buy Six V-22 Ospreys From U.S. in First Sale - Bloomberg
Israel to Buy Six V-22 Ospreys From U.S. in First Sale 01 Nov 2013 Tony Capaccio
"The U.S. will sell Israel six V-22 Osprey tilt-rotor aircraft made by Boeing Co. (BA) and Textron Inc. (TXT), Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel said.
The transaction will mark the first international sale of the aircraft that takes off and lands like a helicopter and flies like a conventional airplane. The Marine Corps and U.S. Air Force special operations pilots fly versions of the Osprey.
“I have directed the Marine Corps to make sure this order is expedited,” Hagel said in remarks prepared for the Anti-Defamation League’s Centennial Dinner in New York tonight. “That means Israel will get six V-22s out of the next order to go on the assembly line.”
The Pentagon said earlier this year that the U.S. was offering to sell an unspecified number of Ospreys as part of a package that included aerial refueling tankers, precision anti-radar missiles and air defense radar. Details of the other systems haven’t been announced."
The transaction will mark the first international sale of the aircraft that takes off and lands like a helicopter and flies like a conventional airplane. The Marine Corps and U.S. Air Force special operations pilots fly versions of the Osprey.
“I have directed the Marine Corps to make sure this order is expedited,” Hagel said in remarks prepared for the Anti-Defamation League’s Centennial Dinner in New York tonight. “That means Israel will get six V-22s out of the next order to go on the assembly line.”
The Pentagon said earlier this year that the U.S. was offering to sell an unspecified number of Ospreys as part of a package that included aerial refueling tankers, precision anti-radar missiles and air defense radar. Details of the other systems haven’t been announced."
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Re: running Osprey off an Invincible.
Just as a matter of interest - with the props/rotors unfolded can they only operate from Sierra/Tango part of the deck aft?
I guess they are too wide further forward.
I know Ocean has slightly more space forward with her not having an Alaskan Highway. Could Osprey operate from her?
In both cases, I guess the lifts are too small for below deck stowage.
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Just as a matter of interest - with the props/rotors unfolded can they only operate from Sierra/Tango part of the deck aft?
I guess they are too wide further forward.
I know Ocean has slightly more space forward with her not having an Alaskan Highway. Could Osprey operate from her?
In both cases, I guess the lifts are too small for below deck stowage.
Dan.
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VIDEO: Bell Helicopter - V-22 Osprey Tiltrotor Aircraft
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Bell Helicopter - V-22 Osprey Tiltrotor Aircraft : One Aircraft - Multiple Missions [720p] - YouTube
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Wot No UK Interest? Bugga :-)
Maker of V-22 Osprey encouraged by foreign interest 19 Nov 2013 Andrea Shalal-Esa
AIRSHOW-Maker of V-22 Osprey encouraged by foreign interest | Reuters
"...U.S. officials are finalising details for an initial sale of six aircraft to Israel - the initial foreign buyer of the plane - at an estimated price of $70 million each, although it may buy twice as many over the longer term.
U.S. officials have also provided briefings on the V-22 to the United Arab Emirates, Japan, Canada, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Italy, Brazil, Colombia, Singapore, and Australia.
In addition to military uses, some countries have expressed interest in using the V-22 for VIP transport....
...Garrison noted that Navy officials had delayed a request for proposals for a competition for new aircraft to supply carriers, a job for which he said the V-22 was ideally suited, and it was uncertain when the competition would kick off.
Current Navy plans call for it to buy 48 V-22s, potentially for use as carrier resupply aircraft, but no funding has been dedicated to the "carrier on-board delivery" or COD programme...."
U.S. officials have also provided briefings on the V-22 to the United Arab Emirates, Japan, Canada, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Italy, Brazil, Colombia, Singapore, and Australia.
In addition to military uses, some countries have expressed interest in using the V-22 for VIP transport....
...Garrison noted that Navy officials had delayed a request for proposals for a competition for new aircraft to supply carriers, a job for which he said the V-22 was ideally suited, and it was uncertain when the competition would kick off.
Current Navy plans call for it to buy 48 V-22s, potentially for use as carrier resupply aircraft, but no funding has been dedicated to the "carrier on-board delivery" or COD programme...."
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Will V-22s be able to 'Buddy Refuel'?
Does anyone know if the V-22 will be able to buddy refuel? That ability may be useful for extending V-22 range also from LHAs etc.
Marine Wing Commander Endorses Aerial Refueling Mission for V-22 Osprey 21 Nov 2013 Stew Magnuson
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Marine Wing Commander Endorses Aerial Refueling Mission for V-22 Osprey 21 Nov 2013 Stew Magnuson
"SAN DIEGO — A Bell Helicopter-Boeing Co. proposal to use the V-22 Osprey tilt-rotor aircraft as a refueling tanker has the endorsement of one of the Marine Corp's wing commanders, and at least one of his higher-ups.
Maj. Gen. Steven Busby, commanding general of of the third Marine aircraft wing at Marine Corps Air Station Miramar, Calif., said Nov. 20 at the Milcom conference that he would welcome having some of the service's MV-22 variants serve in that capacity.
"Having a tanker version of the MV-22 coming off an amphibious platform is going to be able to extend the range of the Joint Strike Fighter beyond what we currently have with the F-35B and is going to be able to provide potential refueling capabilities maybe for the CH-53," he said....
...Busby said: "It will show in my mind to everybody that the MV-22 is not a helicopter. It is an aircraft that can land like a helicopter."
"To be able to put fuel in the back of the MV-22 is going to greatly increase the power of the amphibious force ... It's going to significantly change I think how we push some of those platforms from the sea," Busby added.
While the tiltrotor aircraft tested its refueling capabilities with the jet fighters, the hoses employed are universal, and the Osprey could refuel any other aircraft, so long as it was going at the proper speed, Boeing officials told National Defense shortly after the test.
No fuel was actually transferred during the test, but the V-22 was able to deploy and retract its refueling equipment as the fighters flew behind...."
Maj. Gen. Steven Busby, commanding general of of the third Marine aircraft wing at Marine Corps Air Station Miramar, Calif., said Nov. 20 at the Milcom conference that he would welcome having some of the service's MV-22 variants serve in that capacity.
"Having a tanker version of the MV-22 coming off an amphibious platform is going to be able to extend the range of the Joint Strike Fighter beyond what we currently have with the F-35B and is going to be able to provide potential refueling capabilities maybe for the CH-53," he said....
...Busby said: "It will show in my mind to everybody that the MV-22 is not a helicopter. It is an aircraft that can land like a helicopter."
"To be able to put fuel in the back of the MV-22 is going to greatly increase the power of the amphibious force ... It's going to significantly change I think how we push some of those platforms from the sea," Busby added.
While the tiltrotor aircraft tested its refueling capabilities with the jet fighters, the hoses employed are universal, and the Osprey could refuel any other aircraft, so long as it was going at the proper speed, Boeing officials told National Defense shortly after the test.
No fuel was actually transferred during the test, but the V-22 was able to deploy and retract its refueling equipment as the fighters flew behind...."
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07 FEBRUARY, 2017 SOURCE: FLIGHTGLOBAL.COM BY: JIM WINCHESTER LONDON
The US Marine Corps expects to declare initial operational capability for the Bell Boeing V-22 Aerial Refuelling System (VARS) in late 2019, with the milestone to represent the availability of an initial four mission-equipped aircraft. VARS will be qualified with the USMC’s Boeing AV-8B, F/A-18 and Lockheed Martin F-35B strike aircraft and Sikorsky CH-53 fleets, although a testing timeline has yet to be worked out, says Lt Col Douglas Ogden, MV-22 military platform lead at the V-22 joint progamme office.
The service had originally hoped to have the in-flight refuelling system ready to support initial operations with the F-35B, but a contract award was delayed until October 2016.
Cobham Mission Systems will begin delivering production VARS sets during 2018, with the equipment based on its existing FR300 hose-drum unit. Proximity trials performed with F/A-18s in 2013 and 2015 identified no issues with the fighters flying close behind the tiltrotor, Ogden told the IQ Defence International Helicopter Conference in London on 1 February.
Meanwhile, Ogden says the V-22 programme office is looking at the feasibility of adding a chin-mounted gun and crew-served door guns for the Osprey, with the USMC particularly interested in the latter.
“We are looking into these things, but there is no concrete plan for delivery of anything right now,” he notes.
07 FEBRUARY, 2017 SOURCE: FLIGHTGLOBAL.COM BY: JIM WINCHESTER LONDON
The US Marine Corps expects to declare initial operational capability for the Bell Boeing V-22 Aerial Refuelling System (VARS) in late 2019, with the milestone to represent the availability of an initial four mission-equipped aircraft. VARS will be qualified with the USMC’s Boeing AV-8B, F/A-18 and Lockheed Martin F-35B strike aircraft and Sikorsky CH-53 fleets, although a testing timeline has yet to be worked out, says Lt Col Douglas Ogden, MV-22 military platform lead at the V-22 joint progamme office.
The service had originally hoped to have the in-flight refuelling system ready to support initial operations with the F-35B, but a contract award was delayed until October 2016.
Cobham Mission Systems will begin delivering production VARS sets during 2018, with the equipment based on its existing FR300 hose-drum unit. Proximity trials performed with F/A-18s in 2013 and 2015 identified no issues with the fighters flying close behind the tiltrotor, Ogden told the IQ Defence International Helicopter Conference in London on 1 February.
Meanwhile, Ogden says the V-22 programme office is looking at the feasibility of adding a chin-mounted gun and crew-served door guns for the Osprey, with the USMC particularly interested in the latter.
“We are looking into these things, but there is no concrete plan for delivery of anything right now,” he notes.
