RAF Annual Review 2013
F3WMB,
Really!!! Are you including all the MOD civil servants in that number?
On the subject of Year Books and Air Clues etc, I think its inevitable that they just cannot compete with things printed during the days of the Cold War. So many aircraft, sqns and personnel with the capacity to provide stories that could actually be talked about. Nowadays, we are so stretched, with so few of the above and so many live operations that cannot be opened up to Joe Public, its no wonder editors struggle to provide decent copy. Hey Ho!
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On the subject of Year Books and Air Clues etc, I think its inevitable that they just cannot compete with things printed during the days of the Cold War. So many aircraft, sqns and personnel with the capacity to provide stories that could actually be talked about. Nowadays, we are so stretched, with so few of the above and so many live operations that cannot be opened up to Joe Public, its no wonder editors struggle to provide decent copy. Hey Ho!
Haraka
According to Derek Wood in the 1990 reprint of 'Project Cancelled' (Chaper 16), The 1976 Yearbook had a couple articles that were very close to the bone as far as the MOD was concerned. The forward by the CAS at the time was removed and Wood's own article, 'Wings Clipped and Cancelled' had arbitrary changes done to it, plus other text changes were done throughout the publication. Wood doesn't say if the publication had already gone on sale, but he does say is that many thousands of copies were withdrawn and pulped.
According to Derek Wood in the 1990 reprint of 'Project Cancelled' (Chaper 16), The 1976 Yearbook had a couple articles that were very close to the bone as far as the MOD was concerned. The forward by the CAS at the time was removed and Wood's own article, 'Wings Clipped and Cancelled' had arbitrary changes done to it, plus other text changes were done throughout the publication. Wood doesn't say if the publication had already gone on sale, but he does say is that many thousands of copies were withdrawn and pulped.
Many thanks MAINJAFAD
I certainly have ( or had) the '76 yearbook and remember the article on what the RAF might have had . I just wondered if there was any point in ransacking the archives to try to find it ......
I certainly have ( or had) the '76 yearbook and remember the article on what the RAF might have had . I just wondered if there was any point in ransacking the archives to try to find it ......
Haraka
The original text of 'Wings Clipped and Cancelled' from the 1976 yearbook is in the reprint of the 'Project Cancelled' book, it would be interesting to compare the two texts (unfortunately I lost my copy of the 76 yearbook years ago). I suspect the majority of the changes covered 1964/5 with the cancellation of TSR2, P1154 and the HS 681 and the purchase of the Phantom, Hercules and F-111K.
The original text of 'Wings Clipped and Cancelled' from the 1976 yearbook is in the reprint of the 'Project Cancelled' book, it would be interesting to compare the two texts (unfortunately I lost my copy of the 76 yearbook years ago). I suspect the majority of the changes covered 1964/5 with the cancellation of TSR2, P1154 and the HS 681 and the purchase of the Phantom, Hercules and F-111K.
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Haraka, Mainjafad ...
Gents ... It would appear one still can acquire some back copies at responsible cost ... 1976 included (clearly with a premium)
RAF Yearbooks
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Coff.
PS. Mainjafad ... I can't seem to locate a pic of the SR-177's in Tremblers Colours at the moment ... anyone else had any luck ?
Gents ... It would appear one still can acquire some back copies at responsible cost ... 1976 included (clearly with a premium)
RAF Yearbooks
Best ...
Coff.
PS. Mainjafad ... I can't seem to locate a pic of the SR-177's in Tremblers Colours at the moment ... anyone else had any luck ?
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Many thanks Mainjafad
SR-177 Projected Performance Data ...
Maximum speed: Mach 2.35
Service ceiling: 67,000 ft (20,422 m)
Rate of climb: 60,000 ft/min (300 m/s)
Time to altitude:
brake release to 20,000 ft (6,100 m) - 1 min 27 s
brake release to 40,000 ft (12,000 m) - 2 min 3 s
brake release to 60,000 ft (18,000 m) - 3 min 6 s
brake release to 70,000 ft (21,000 m) - 3 min 51 s
Level acceleration at 80,000 ft (24,000 m) from top of climb at Mach 1.4 to Mach 2 - 1 min 6 s
Radius of turn (at Mach 1·6 at 60,000 ft (18,000 m)) - 24,000 ft (7,300 m)
Rocket full power endurance - 7 minutes
Impressive ...
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SR-177 Projected Performance Data ...
Maximum speed: Mach 2.35
Service ceiling: 67,000 ft (20,422 m)
Rate of climb: 60,000 ft/min (300 m/s)
Time to altitude:
brake release to 20,000 ft (6,100 m) - 1 min 27 s
brake release to 40,000 ft (12,000 m) - 2 min 3 s
brake release to 60,000 ft (18,000 m) - 3 min 6 s
brake release to 70,000 ft (21,000 m) - 3 min 51 s
Level acceleration at 80,000 ft (24,000 m) from top of climb at Mach 1.4 to Mach 2 - 1 min 6 s
Radius of turn (at Mach 1·6 at 60,000 ft (18,000 m)) - 24,000 ft (7,300 m)
Rocket full power endurance - 7 minutes
Coff, The SR 177 would have most likely been up there with the Lightning in the ultimate 'Hooligan' machine stakes, though would have suffered from the exact same limitations of weapon system and armament (AI-23 AIRPASS and 2x Red Top). Though it most likely would have been a bit better in endurance than the Lightning. HTP rocket oxidiser would have most likely made life on the flight line more than a tad more hazardous and may have caused issues with deploying away from base. The Vulcan/Victor 'Blue Steel' boys may be able to answer the 'deployment' one as they were the only people in the RAF to operate a bit of kit that used the stuff operationally.
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