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Old 27th Dec 2012, 12:58   #1 (permalink)
 
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1968...what would you do differently?

So TSR2 has been binned and now its 1968 and the F-111 order has been cancelled. What would you do if anything differently from this point on??
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Old 27th Dec 2012, 13:05   #2 (permalink)
 
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Buy F4's. I liked, indeed insisted on a good aircraft for my weekends away.
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Old 27th Dec 2012, 13:09   #3 (permalink)
 
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Done and excursion to Hanoi along with my mates....all 500,000 of them.
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Old 27th Dec 2012, 14:00   #4 (permalink)
 
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Modern avionics in the Bucc. Multimode radar, inertial, EW. And to continue the what-if, we'd probably be fitting them today with AESA, F414s and the next generation of RCS-reduction kit, and confusing the F-22s at Red Flag like they baffled the F-15s in the 1970s.

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Old 27th Dec 2012, 14:07   #5 (permalink)
 
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Put Wedgewood Benn on trial for Treason?
And maybe Wilson as well for good measure?
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Old 27th Dec 2012, 14:38   #6 (permalink)
 
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and confusing the F-22s at Red Flag like they baffled the F-15s in the 1970s.
Lets have some 1970's Bucc stories....
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Lets not!!!
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Old 27th Dec 2012, 15:02   #8 (permalink)
 
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you prefer Jag stories
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Old 27th Dec 2012, 15:07   #9 (permalink)
 
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Much better
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Old 27th Dec 2012, 15:28   #10 (permalink)
 
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They'd be very short ones though
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Old 27th Dec 2012, 15:34   #11 (permalink)
 
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I'd still have bought the F4 ... but more of them and not bu99ered about with the engines.
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Old 27th Dec 2012, 15:46   #12 (permalink)
 
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What were the French Mirage's like?
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French ... Simples !
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Old 27th Dec 2012, 15:50   #14 (permalink)
 
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Meaning elegant, cheap to buy, likely to break, expensive when they did, and long waits for the bits to arrive.

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Old 27th Dec 2012, 15:53   #15 (permalink)
 
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I never did understand why they insisted on Speys in the F4s. Didn't the increased drag of the fuselage to accomodate the engines negate any power gain, while bestowing a greater fuel burn for the unrealised (because of the said drag) extra engine power?
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SSD ... Political meddling ... Simples !
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Old 27th Dec 2012, 16:04   #17 (permalink)
 
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Shaggy, you're quite right - the F4J we bought backs you up. But the Spey was a beautiful jet engine.

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Old 27th Dec 2012, 16:10   #18 (permalink)
 
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1968...what would you do differently?
So TSR2 has been binned and now its 1968 and the F-111 order has been cancelled. What would you do if anything differently from this point on??

Absolutely nothing. It was at that point I resigned, handed in my blue suit, and joined BEA. At least there, I thought, I'd get to fly an up-to-date jet! Bl**dy Socialists.
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Old 27th Dec 2012, 16:13   #19 (permalink)
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The real question is whether the TSR2 would have been any good for any of the many roles for which it was intended?
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Old 27th Dec 2012, 17:02   #20 (permalink)
 
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The real question is whether the TSR2 would have been any good for any of the many roles for which it was intended?
That's a very interesting question. Those involved in its few flights insist it was an amazingly capable aeroplane, but it looks to me to have a tiny wing; great for straight line speed but not so good for manouvering and STOL despite blown surfaces.
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