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Old 25th Dec 2012, 19:54   #1 (permalink)
 
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New Chinese Large Transport Aircraft, Y-20

Somewhere inbetween a IL-76 and a A400M?




link: 世界军事论坛 - 更多大运图,转自CD zt

It seems they didn't succeed (yet) in realizing modern, high bypass turbofans for this aircraft.

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Old 25th Dec 2012, 21:08   #2 (permalink)
 
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Looks like a beefed up HS146
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Old 25th Dec 2012, 22:38   #3 (permalink)

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I don't like the colour.
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Old 26th Dec 2012, 00:58   #4 (permalink)
 
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Are those JT8D engines?
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Old 26th Dec 2012, 02:04   #5 (permalink)
 
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Sub Herc sized fuselage with four piss pot turbines... what's the point?

Mock up of some sort if you ask me.
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Old 26th Dec 2012, 02:31   #6 (permalink)
 
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Looks like a real programme, albeit CANDID sized. From a Russian site and via Google Translate:

"Photo caption states that "one of these days AVIC Landing Gear Advanced Manufacturing Co. (Official English title units AVIC) prematurely passed [the customer] sample chassis of a priority project." This "ensures successful execution of the annual targets for the development and manufacture of equipment and weapons."

Chassis presumably intended for future Chinese heavy military transport aircraft Y-20, the development and production preparation of which the company Xian Aircraft Industrial Corporation (HAS) in Xi'an. Earlier it was reported that the aircraft, approximately corresponding to the size of the Russian IL-76, may make its first flight in 2012. At Y-20, at least at first, to be installed Russian engines D-30KP2."

Comment: D-30KP2 are the original CANDID engines - which the Chinese have extensive experience of.

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Old 26th Dec 2012, 06:50   #7 (permalink)
 
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Hereafter NATO Designation to be "Yellow Peril"
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Old 26th Dec 2012, 10:30   #8 (permalink)
 
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I bet even the Chinese aren't thick enough to put an aft side loading door in it, provide a ramp you have to assemble to get the loads in and out and then attempt to sell it as a military tactical freighter as BAe tried to do with the 146
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Old 26th Dec 2012, 10:38   #9 (permalink)
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Crew: 3
Payload Capacity: 60,000-65000 kg
Length: 49 m
Wingspan: 50 m
Height: 15 m
Wing area: 310 m2
Empty weight: 100,000 kg
Max takeoff weight: 220,000 kg
Power: 4譼urbofans
Maximum speed: 750-800 km/h
Range: (with max payload) 4,400 km
Service ceiling: 13,000 m

Shaanxi Y-20

The prototypes and the initial batch may be powered by Russian D-30KP-2/WS-18 turbofans, later by the modified WS-10 (WS-118?)....

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Old 26th Dec 2012, 10:40   #10 (permalink)
 
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Indeed NutLoose. It is not as if our MOD fell for that one.

JetPhotos.Net Photo OO-TAY (CN: E2211) United Kingdom - Royal Air Force (RAF) British Aerospace BAe 146-200(QC) by Dutch
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Old 26th Dec 2012, 11:11   #11 (permalink)
 
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That pictured aircraft.....

Why does the [?] ADD[?] probe have a flipping dayglo background?

Not confusing in the slightest......
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Old 26th Dec 2012, 11:31   #12 (permalink)
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Looks pretty?

or not a coat peg?
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Old 26th Dec 2012, 12:03   #13 (permalink)
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Hereafter NATO Designation to be "Yellow Peril"
As it's Christmas, why not "Yellow Snow" ?
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Old 26th Dec 2012, 12:21   #14 (permalink)
 
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Now you're taking the p*ss...

Ahh the old ones still work...
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Old 26th Dec 2012, 13:32   #15 (permalink)
 
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Mock up of some sort if you ask me.
during the last few yrs several analysts suggested these new chinese machines probably are just fancy mock-ups, and then they took off a few days later..
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Old 26th Dec 2012, 21:11   #16 (permalink)

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Pee-king Duck?
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Old 26th Dec 2012, 21:59   #17 (permalink)
 
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Unusual to see a configuration with such pronounced main wing anhedral, yet a very tall fin. I wonder whether it is optimised to fly max-range with only two engines operating.
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Old 28th Dec 2012, 00:29   #18 (permalink)
 
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This aircraft has been under development for several yrs. Earlier mock-ups, models and artist impressions featured higher BPR engines.



It seems the Chinese decided they couldn't wait for the right engine and moved ahead with a proven one. They'll continue flight and system testing, taking a hit on range on the initial aircraft.

Looking at the current PLA size and territory they have a pathetic small transport fleet. No doubt the Chinese want several hundred of these (& Y-9) ASAP, so probably little export ambitions.

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Old 28th Dec 2012, 00:55   #19 (permalink)
 
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Looks like a BIG target drone to me.

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The site name says it all. 'C' for China, and as for 'Joby', well, ask any Scotsman...

Maybe the small engines are there until the ones they really want are working properly.
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