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Old 21st Dec 2012, 20:50   #21 (permalink)
 
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Derring-does of chappies flying a totally useless so-called combat aircraft. Sporty yes, but do c'mon chaps, it was a waste of taxpayers' money.
Are you referring to Hawker's little puffer jet?
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Old 21st Dec 2012, 21:26   #22 (permalink)
 
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Are you referring to Hawker's little puffer jet?
The Harrier - RN and RAF - did a quite reasonable combat job in '82.

It was the first opportunity for most of us from my era to test ourselves in combat, although recent people have had many more opportunities.

Don't know what your role in that conflict was, but clearly you have an expert opinion about all that did participate.

So what exactly is your point?

Getting serious in an otherwise banter zone - but there are times and places.
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Old 21st Dec 2012, 21:36   #23 (permalink)
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Bomber oh Bomber my friend, I am sooooo disappointed.

YOU BIT like a starved trout matey.

(By the way, we need to have a beer or two sometime. I'd really like that.)
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Old 21st Dec 2012, 21:42   #24 (permalink)
 
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Sorry Rog - I'll go get my santa hat and coat!!

Have a good Christmas!!
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Old 21st Dec 2012, 21:50   #25 (permalink)
 
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Some kills are just sooooo easy.........

Anyway, compliments of the season to you all (to be PC.....).
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Old 22nd Dec 2012, 07:18   #26 (permalink)
 
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cuefaye ...

At a practical/economic level you are probably right about the Lightning ... but we shouldn't underestimate the deterrent impact of the UK being able to scramble a man with some "teeth" to keep the Ruskies company in the early 60's. Not only that ... but the production line also helped with employment and the developing of our national aerospace/technology "Brain Bank" ... But that's just my personal view

Happy Christmas all ...

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Old 22nd Dec 2012, 09:11   #27 (permalink)
 
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what was the fuel capacity of the P1154? I can't think it had much range.............
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Old 22nd Dec 2012, 09:57   #28 (permalink)
 
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what was the fuel capacity of the P1154? I can't think it had much range.............
1300 imp gallons internal, to be supplemented when required with a pair of 300 imp gall external tanks. For ferrying, the 300 imp gall tanks would be replaced by a pair of 400 imp gall tanks, a 200 imp gall centreline tank and an AAR probe.

Under ISA/SL conditions with a 2000 lb load and 2 x 300 gall externals, following a STO (rather than a rolling VTO), the aircraft was predicted to have a lo-lo radius of action of 400 nm.
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Old 22nd Dec 2012, 10:32   #29 (permalink)
 
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...national aerospace/technology "Brain Bank"...
....therafter resident in California. We left a sign at Heathrow saying "Will the last Engineer to leave please turn off the light."
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Very true Mike
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Old 23rd Dec 2012, 12:55   #31 (permalink)
 
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Does this help?

Harrier Test Rig Arrival

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Old 23rd Dec 2012, 14:27   #32 (permalink)
 
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Thanks S41 ...

PCB seems a good way to melt engines fast
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Old 28th Dec 2012, 15:52   #33 (permalink)
 
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Has anyone got any more on the P1154 ? John F are you on frequency ?
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Old 29th Dec 2012, 11:05   #34 (permalink)
 
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Are you referring to Hawker's little puffer jet?
No - see Coffer's comment on my banter ------
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Old 29th Dec 2012, 11:30   #35 (permalink)
 
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......

Yes, the little puffer jet served us well, particularly from the small carriers (aka 'through deck cruisers') forced on the RN following cancellation of CVA01....

But the Lightning served the UK very well indeed - for years and years beyond its originally anticipated OSD.

Both British designs through and through, but now sadly consigned to history. Notwithstanding its meagre endurance, the Sea Harrier F/A2 with AIM-120 and Link16 was a superb interceptor.
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Old 29th Dec 2012, 12:34   #36 (permalink)
 
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I'd delete 'the very well indeed' bit. Very sporty, and thus much loved by its operators, but operability? Payload, range and endurance - well below par, no question.

But it was British, filled a need (on paper at least), kept industrial bums on seats, maintained design and hangar skills, and was much admired at airshows - Tick. Capability - Cross.
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Lightning

...and named specifically by Viktor Belenko in his 1976 debrief as an aircraft the Foxbats were very wary of........(allegedly )

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