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Old 17th Jul 2012, 21:12
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The MoD in their wisdom have stopped allowing civ IREs to fly in mil aircraft to grant civ IRs - frankly very petty!
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Old 17th Jul 2012, 21:42
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Where did you get that info from? I haven't seen any announcements yet.
That's because there hasn't been an official announcement yet! Some of us may have heard various snippets, but it would be rather stupid to come up with a "Well, I've heard....." type post at this stage - in case the CAA has decided not to accept some particular aspect or other.

Isn't the civil IRE restriction type-specific? In other words, if it isn't allowed to take passengers then (for some mindless reason), it isn't even allowed to take a civil IRE on the jump seat?
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Old 18th Jul 2012, 18:27
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Yes, it is type specific, and I have yet to see the details about whether for RW the IR is flown 'single pilot' for the purposes of the test. As yet, details are sketchy, but the principle is in place.

As crab pointed out, the RAF can be pretty petty at times, but often rules disallowing this have been imposed at a local level, so are personality dependant and subject to change.

As Beagle pointed out, best to see what comes out in the wash, but felt it appropriate to let people know the rumour, this being a rumour network 'n all
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Old 18th Jul 2012, 19:05
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I have C130J on my licence having taken a civvy IRE flying last year. Will a military IRT & Annual cat this year be sufficient to maintain the validity of my "civvy" C130J rating?

Never understood all this gumf.
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Old 24th Jul 2012, 18:41
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Anybody got any updates on CAP 804???
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Old 24th Jul 2012, 19:06
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Anybody got any updates on CAP 804?

I will ask the appropriate folk at the CAA and let you know what they have to say.....
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Old 24th Jul 2012, 21:08
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CAP 804 Section 4 Part O - Military Accreditation Scheme

The CAA has advised that Amendment 1 to CAP 804 will be released on the CAA website on Friday 27 July 2012. This will include Section 4 Part O - Military Accreditation Scheme (MAS).

Although part-FCL 'lifetime' pilot licences won't be available until 17 Sep 2012, MAS accreditation may be used with effect from 27 July 2012 for those who wish to use them to obtain a JAR-FCL style 5 year licence before 17 Sep 2012.


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Old 24th Jul 2012, 21:11
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beags you're a legend!!!
Thanks
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Old 25th Jul 2012, 09:35
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I will post a link to the download as soon as CAP 804 incorporating Amendment 2012/01 is officially released on 27 Jul.
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Old 25th Jul 2012, 13:40
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Many thanks! Help much appreciated.
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Old 27th Jul 2012, 09:02
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CAP 804 Amendment 1

CAP 804 incorporating amendment 1 is now available for download at http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/CAP804rfs.pdf

Military accreditation may be found in Section 4 Part O.

Please note that any queries should be directed to 22Gp, not the CAA!

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Old 27th Jul 2012, 09:36
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Good news but a bit dissapointing that an A1 Tutor instructor on the staff of CFS will now only get a Restricted FI(A)? Please correct me if I have this wrong.
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Old 27th Jul 2012, 09:39
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No H to A bridging either.

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Old 27th Jul 2012, 09:49
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1. There are no credits from any exams (except for the NPPL) for anyone.
2. There are no credits from any Skill Tests for anyone.

You will note that there is no accreditation for the FRTOL; this is an omission which has been highlighted to the relevant people.

Regarding the FI certificate, there is no such thing as a 'Restricted FI' - it is an FI certificate with privileges restricted under the terms of FCL.910.FI FI - Restricted Privileges. Whether these restrictions can be lifted at initial issue, provided that the requirements of para (c) have been met, is something you will need to ask 22 Gp.

RW pilots seeking FW licences will first need to obtain part-FCL helicopter licences, then follow the same FW to RW requirements (as indlciated in CAP 804 Section 4 part L) which apply to civil pilots.

IR revalidation appears to require that it may only be acceptable for pilots who have "a class or type for which they hold a valid aeroplane rating in the Part-FCL licence". So yes, if you happen to have a King Air or a TriStar in your licence, by my reading. Whether the C-130 is considered to be the same as the Lockheed 382, I couldn't say - ask 22 Gp! But since the VC10 is not an 'EASA' aeroplane, then no if that's what you've flown......

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Old 27th Jul 2012, 10:05
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Clear as mud!

Had a read through - I hope I'm not the only one who thinks it's not very clear??

I'm due to leave next year and I've already got a CPL(H) but need to do an IR - as far as I can see there are no major changes to the credit available for QMP(H) with with regards to this?

I think I'll just go straight to the training provider for a distilled version!!!!
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Old 27th Jul 2012, 10:09
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Thanks Beagle.
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Old 27th Jul 2012, 10:11
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VigilantPilot, please read 3.8 again (Section 4 part O page 8):

"....the proficiency check was conducted by the holder of a Flight Examiner Certificate issued under Part-FCL"

If the military IRE holds such a certificate, entitling him/her to conduct proficiency checks on the class/type, then fine. Now try to find one.....

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Old 27th Jul 2012, 10:39
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Morning all! Does anyone who has read this in depth have a quick answer about how quick/easy it will be to get a CPL(H) now for a QMP with 3500 hrs total flying (mainly RW) under the new regs? ie how many exams have to be sat and is there a skill test?

I will now start to plough my way through the document to see if I can work it out myself, but any simple answers appreciated!
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Old 27th Jul 2012, 10:50
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See CAP 804 Section 4 Part D, Subpart 2 Page 2.

You will have to pass all the exams and pass the CPL(H) Skill Test, I regret to have to tell you, irrespective of your years of military RW flying....

Part O merely allows entry into the EASA system. Unlike the previous system, it does not recognise the 'Experienced QSP', so will be very unlikely to act as a recruiting or retention incentive. No longer will people bite the bullet to reach the old 2000 hr TT mark, if they have any aspirations for a second career, because there is no incentive to do so in licensing terms. Whether that will lead to erosion of experience in front-line squadrons will doubtless be a matter for MoD to consider.

But if, as a PPL Examiner, you bowled up to CFS do your A2 and the CFS A1 trapper didn't hold even a PPL, you could perhaps offer to let him/her take the PPL exams 'under the auspices' of your flying club......

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Old 27th Jul 2012, 10:55
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Awesome! Very happy to know that all those years of professionalism and training, as well as hard won experience, count for nothing then.

On the flip side, perhaps doing all the exams before entering the civvy world is not such a bad thing in terms of learning. Is the exam package going to RW based though or is it still going to be a bastardised (A) exam package I wonder....

Thanks Beags for the quick summary though!
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