Fears for Pentagon air power as Iran claims drone capture
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Iranian take on the Christian Science Monitor report
Fars News Agency :: Report Alleges US Drone Cheated by Iran
Includes a veiled threat;
"Hacking such an extremely sophisticated system, which until last week was considered impossible, means that the Iranians are able to enter all computer-based network systems in the US and Europe. Since the algorithm and logic behind other systems are much simpler, the Iranians may be able to control all radars, satellites, planes, ships, tanks, rockets, cruise missiles and so on of the US and NATO throughout the world. They may be able to even control American soldiers, who are driven to fight using satellite controlled infrared systems."
A bit of hyperbole (or even bollox) there, but it does raise some interesting questions
Fars News Agency :: Report Alleges US Drone Cheated by Iran
Includes a veiled threat;
"Hacking such an extremely sophisticated system, which until last week was considered impossible, means that the Iranians are able to enter all computer-based network systems in the US and Europe. Since the algorithm and logic behind other systems are much simpler, the Iranians may be able to control all radars, satellites, planes, ships, tanks, rockets, cruise missiles and so on of the US and NATO throughout the world. They may be able to even control American soldiers, who are driven to fight using satellite controlled infrared systems."
A bit of hyperbole (or even bollox) there, but it does raise some interesting questions
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http://info.publicintelligence.net/U...larWarfare.pdf
1. Key Finding 1: Current RPA automation implementations either underautomate,
over-automate, or fail to provide a flexible human-centric solution.
Insufficient and inflexible automation/sensor processing increases pilot workload,
increases incident rates, degrades mission performance and agility, and inhibits
distributed cross-platform collaboration.
2. Key Finding 2: Poorly-designed Operator Control Stations (OCSs) fail to
provide effective, robust, and safe RPA mission management because of a lack of
accepted systems engineering design practices, a lack of Human-System
Integration (HSI) design and implementation, and closed and stovepiped
architectures that constrain “best of breed” component solutions.
3. Key Finding 3: Limited communications systems result in communications
latency, link vulnerabilities, and lost-link events, which limits mission roles
assigned to RPAs, operational flexibility, and resiliency in the face of
unanticipated events.
enough in that lot to explain how contact was lost, even without any jamming
More details from page 31 onwards
1. Key Finding 1: Current RPA automation implementations either underautomate,
over-automate, or fail to provide a flexible human-centric solution.
Insufficient and inflexible automation/sensor processing increases pilot workload,
increases incident rates, degrades mission performance and agility, and inhibits
distributed cross-platform collaboration.
2. Key Finding 2: Poorly-designed Operator Control Stations (OCSs) fail to
provide effective, robust, and safe RPA mission management because of a lack of
accepted systems engineering design practices, a lack of Human-System
Integration (HSI) design and implementation, and closed and stovepiped
architectures that constrain “best of breed” component solutions.
3. Key Finding 3: Limited communications systems result in communications
latency, link vulnerabilities, and lost-link events, which limits mission roles
assigned to RPAs, operational flexibility, and resiliency in the face of
unanticipated events.
enough in that lot to explain how contact was lost, even without any jamming
More details from page 31 onwards
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Nothing has changed since the mid 80's, nothing.
"http://info.publicintelligence.net/U...larWarfare.pdf
1. Key Finding 1: Current RPA automation implementations either underautomate,
over-automate, or fail to provide a flexible human-centric solution.
Insufficient and inflexible automation/sensor processing increases pilot workload,
increases incident rates, degrades mission performance and agility, and inhibits
distributed cross-platform collaboration.
2. Key Finding 2: Poorly-designed Operator Control Stations (OCSs) fail to
provide effective, robust, and safe RPA mission management because of a lack of
accepted systems engineering design practices, a lack of Human-System
Integration (HSI) design and implementation, and closed and stovepiped
architectures that constrain “best of breed” component solutions.
3. Key Finding 3: Limited communications systems result in communications
latency, link vulnerabilities, and lost-link events, which limits mission roles
assigned to RPAs, operational flexibility, and resiliency in the face of
unanticipated events.
enough in that lot to explain how contact was lost, even without any jamming
More details from page 31 onwards"
"http://info.publicintelligence.net/U...larWarfare.pdf
1. Key Finding 1: Current RPA automation implementations either underautomate,
over-automate, or fail to provide a flexible human-centric solution.
Insufficient and inflexible automation/sensor processing increases pilot workload,
increases incident rates, degrades mission performance and agility, and inhibits
distributed cross-platform collaboration.
2. Key Finding 2: Poorly-designed Operator Control Stations (OCSs) fail to
provide effective, robust, and safe RPA mission management because of a lack of
accepted systems engineering design practices, a lack of Human-System
Integration (HSI) design and implementation, and closed and stovepiped
architectures that constrain “best of breed” component solutions.
3. Key Finding 3: Limited communications systems result in communications
latency, link vulnerabilities, and lost-link events, which limits mission roles
assigned to RPAs, operational flexibility, and resiliency in the face of
unanticipated events.
enough in that lot to explain how contact was lost, even without any jamming
More details from page 31 onwards"
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latest claims from Iran
Fars News Agency :: Report: CIA Hacked by Iran
Important to note they are quoting a Russian news agency, reporting Israeli comments from a supposed off-the record USA source. So believe what you will
"As RT reported yesterday, overseas officials speaking on condition of anonymity say that they were able to crack the computers of the drone to hijack the craft and lead it to a safe landing after it caught the drone creeping over from a mission in Afghanistan. Now military sources speaking to Israel-based news outlet Debka insist that Iranian forces made their way into the drone commander centers at CIA headquarters outside of Washington in Langley, Virginia. Debka has close connections with the Israel intelligence community and in the past has been known for correctly reporting on issues of importance to the American intelligence community before US outlets, Russia Today said......
"The Israel-based outlet adds that in addition to hacking the GPS network of the craft, as Iranian engineers admitted earlier this week, the command center in Langley must have been infiltrated as to keep those controlling the robotic plane from noticing that the craft had been guided onto an enemy base. Had the CIA been aware of the hacking of the GPS network only, adds Debka, they would have surely triggered the craft's self-destruct mechanism, rendering any wreckage unmanageable for Iranian authorities recovering the debris. ,....
"Debka's analysis of the drone capture also raises a last point worth bringing up - with the Sentinel's mission over Iran being the first such flight there for the craft, whoever intercepted it was well aware of the precise day and hour of the mission. With Washington doubting their technology out of Tehran, going as far as to call it an "ox-cart culture" in recent weeks, the possibility that the attack was infiltrated from within the United States or with the cooperation of American officials seems more than likely now..... "
Fars News Agency :: Report: CIA Hacked by Iran
Important to note they are quoting a Russian news agency, reporting Israeli comments from a supposed off-the record USA source. So believe what you will
"As RT reported yesterday, overseas officials speaking on condition of anonymity say that they were able to crack the computers of the drone to hijack the craft and lead it to a safe landing after it caught the drone creeping over from a mission in Afghanistan. Now military sources speaking to Israel-based news outlet Debka insist that Iranian forces made their way into the drone commander centers at CIA headquarters outside of Washington in Langley, Virginia. Debka has close connections with the Israel intelligence community and in the past has been known for correctly reporting on issues of importance to the American intelligence community before US outlets, Russia Today said......
"The Israel-based outlet adds that in addition to hacking the GPS network of the craft, as Iranian engineers admitted earlier this week, the command center in Langley must have been infiltrated as to keep those controlling the robotic plane from noticing that the craft had been guided onto an enemy base. Had the CIA been aware of the hacking of the GPS network only, adds Debka, they would have surely triggered the craft's self-destruct mechanism, rendering any wreckage unmanageable for Iranian authorities recovering the debris. ,....
"Debka's analysis of the drone capture also raises a last point worth bringing up - with the Sentinel's mission over Iran being the first such flight there for the craft, whoever intercepted it was well aware of the precise day and hour of the mission. With Washington doubting their technology out of Tehran, going as far as to call it an "ox-cart culture" in recent weeks, the possibility that the attack was infiltrated from within the United States or with the cooperation of American officials seems more than likely now..... "
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Ahh the process of disinformation, what is the truth, guess only the people involved.
U.S. Official Says Iran Will Find It Difficult To Exploit Intel In Drone | Fox News
He's saying it was just a simple failure, and no big deal.
U.S. Official Says Iran Will Find It Difficult To Exploit Intel In Drone | Fox News
He's saying it was just a simple failure, and no big deal.
Yes indeed, Glojo. And as for:
But independent experts say the data and communications of the unmanned aircraft are heavily encrypted, making it difficult for Iran to harvest much intelligence from them.
Surely if the UAV had been gathering int over Iran, they'd only be getting int about themselves anyway!?!?! I guess I know what he meant.
But independent experts say the data and communications of the unmanned aircraft are heavily encrypted, making it difficult for Iran to harvest much intelligence from them.
Surely if the UAV had been gathering int over Iran, they'd only be getting int about themselves anyway!?!?! I guess I know what he meant.
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to be honest, hacking the circuitry may not be all that useful anyway in terms of gaining technological secrets
its amazing what can be done with a relatively low cost machine using off-the-shelf parts and technology
Put these two concepts (below) together and the result would be a cheap DIY communications spy. What it wouldn't have is range - but that should be fixable given scale. Any aerospace company would be able to overcome that
DIY Spy Drone Sniffs Wi-Fi, Intercepts Phone Calls | Threat Level | Wired.com
Southampton engineers fly the world's first 'printed' aircraft
Of course if you added solar power generation as well, then in some countries you would have potentially a huge range
And if anyone doubt the availability of 3D printers, a friend of mine has one for making scale-model railway locomotives. Cost him less than £10,000
its amazing what can be done with a relatively low cost machine using off-the-shelf parts and technology
Put these two concepts (below) together and the result would be a cheap DIY communications spy. What it wouldn't have is range - but that should be fixable given scale. Any aerospace company would be able to overcome that
DIY Spy Drone Sniffs Wi-Fi, Intercepts Phone Calls | Threat Level | Wired.com
Southampton engineers fly the world's first 'printed' aircraft
Of course if you added solar power generation as well, then in some countries you would have potentially a huge range
And if anyone doubt the availability of 3D printers, a friend of mine has one for making scale-model railway locomotives. Cost him less than £10,000
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Heh, pursuant fltlt's link (many thanks)
I love the way the Air Force parses language.
"High Regret Operations" have significant IO impact.
Fork me, is that any way for a warrior to talk?
I love the way the Air Force parses language.
"High Regret Operations" have significant IO impact.
Fork me, is that any way for a warrior to talk?
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Lonewolf_50, it was not my link, it was jamesdevice, credit where credit is due.
Unfortunately that whole mindset is slowly spreading throughout the armed forces over here. Just read the individual post "newspapers", it is all touchy feely, I didn't mean to offend you stuff.
Afraid our warriors have somewhat droopy swords and lances. Sadly I can envisage when the callout "Fox two" means you have just launched foam nerf projectiles so as not to cause your enemy any damage or personal bad feelings.
Maybe we can have text wars, first to 1,000,000 wins with unlimited rematchs?
Unfortunately that whole mindset is slowly spreading throughout the armed forces over here. Just read the individual post "newspapers", it is all touchy feely, I didn't mean to offend you stuff.
Afraid our warriors have somewhat droopy swords and lances. Sadly I can envisage when the callout "Fox two" means you have just launched foam nerf projectiles so as not to cause your enemy any damage or personal bad feelings.
Maybe we can have text wars, first to 1,000,000 wins with unlimited rematchs?
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Mach Two, even they aren't sure:
The Merge - Reply to “Defining Information Operations Forces..."
The Merge - Reply to “Defining Information Operations Forces..."
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you may like this one as well
http://info.publicintelligence.net/MCCLL-UAS-RC-SW.pdf
"Unmanned Aerial Systems Integrated Operations in Support of Regional Command Southwest"
4 October 2011
http://info.publicintelligence.net/MCCLL-UAS-RC-SW.pdf
"Unmanned Aerial Systems Integrated Operations in Support of Regional Command Southwest"
4 October 2011
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latest claim / statement from Iran
Fars News Agency :: Former IRGC Cyber War Commander: Iran Can Make Drones More Advanced than RQ-170
""Today the stealth technology has been indigenized in the Islamic Republic of Iran. We have a radar-evading plane which enjoys a home grown and fully stealth technology and has been tested by the most precise systems and can continue flying for tens of hours," the commander said, adding that the US officials should wait and see how Iranian experts make a drone much more advanced than the American RQ-170 Sentinel.
"In response to Mr. Obama's demand for the return of this plane, I recommend the Americans to be patient a bit since God willing our friends will manufacture a drone more advanced than the US RQ-170 Sentinel soon and then they can come and buy it to regain their morale and stop their (present) feeling that they are loosing everything," the former IRGC Electronic Warfare commander said. "
Fars News Agency :: Former IRGC Cyber War Commander: Iran Can Make Drones More Advanced than RQ-170
""Today the stealth technology has been indigenized in the Islamic Republic of Iran. We have a radar-evading plane which enjoys a home grown and fully stealth technology and has been tested by the most precise systems and can continue flying for tens of hours," the commander said, adding that the US officials should wait and see how Iranian experts make a drone much more advanced than the American RQ-170 Sentinel.
"In response to Mr. Obama's demand for the return of this plane, I recommend the Americans to be patient a bit since God willing our friends will manufacture a drone more advanced than the US RQ-170 Sentinel soon and then they can come and buy it to regain their morale and stop their (present) feeling that they are loosing everything," the former IRGC Electronic Warfare commander said. "
The mission was proceeding flawlessly, requiring no more effort from the drone operators than the odd glimpse at their screens to check that it was flying its assigned mission.
Then the drone operators had to make an agonizing decision. Would it be the double cocoa kreme puff this time, or the strawberry frosted. "Dammit", mused the chief operator, "Why does Dunkin' Donuts make our life so goddam hard?".
Suddenly the drone's computer monitoring system flashed a message:
"Aw, sheehit! Another bird's gone walkabout......."
Then the drone operators had to make an agonizing decision. Would it be the double cocoa kreme puff this time, or the strawberry frosted. "Dammit", mused the chief operator, "Why does Dunkin' Donuts make our life so goddam hard?".
Suddenly the drone's computer monitoring system flashed a message:
"Aw, sheehit! Another bird's gone walkabout......."
