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Old 10th Aug 2011, 21:25   #21 (permalink)
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The Sovs have always had rather a robust response to terrorism.

On September 30, 1985, four Soviet diplomats were kidnapped by the Islamic Liberation Organization in Beirut. One, Arkady Katkov, was killed by his captors while trying to escape. The other three, commercial attache Valery Mirkov, press attache Oleg Spirin and embassy doctor Nikolai Seversky, were released unharmed a month later after a relative of the terrorist leader's was kidnapped and killed by the Soviet KGB.

The terrorist leader's relative was actually his four-year-old son. A Spetsnaz team took the boy from his home. They then delivered the boy’s cut off ear to his mother with a video of the cutting. On the video was a message that if the remaining three Soviets were not released unharmed, the next video would be of the boy’s castration. The Soviets promised that if the diplomats were released, the boy would not be castrated.

The remaining diplomats were released. The Soviets then simply shot the boy in the back of the head in retaliation for the murder of Katkov. However, the KGB did keep its promise and the dead boy was not castrated.

After that, no Soviet diplomat in Lebanon was ever threatened again.
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Old 10th Aug 2011, 21:28   #22 (permalink)

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Really annoyed
Re your post re Jet Blast, I don't disagree with you but we don't make or implement the rules.

Very good example.
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Old 10th Aug 2011, 21:49   #23 (permalink)
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This has bugger all to do with Military Aviation, just like the two riot threads. They should all be on Jet Blast.
Well don't be a dork, don't read this thread.....
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Old 10th Aug 2011, 22:01   #24 (permalink)
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I seem to remember that Aeroflots SOP to hijacking was to resist to the death.
Perhaps if the West had had a similar SOP, billions of dollars, a couple of pointless wars and thousands of people would still be alive?
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Old 10th Aug 2011, 22:18   #25 (permalink)
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Military Aviation role in Counter-Piracy

I agree, this thread really needs something to do with Military Aviation to justify its position here, so voila...

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Old 11th Aug 2011, 11:13   #26 (permalink)
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The video has been doing the rounds for some time now with various dodgy claims that the pirates were handcuffed to the ship when it was sunk.

In the original video the Russians can be heard asking the crew who is Pakistani and later on asking for Iranians.

See following video for Russian news item.

Investigation has revealed that all the suspected pirates are not from Somalia and some are fishermen from Iran and Pakistan. It is not clear whether Iranian and Pakistani fishermen are working as navigators for Somali pirates for monetary gains.

Also Russia is not able to decide, where and how to proceed with these suspected pirates.

Update: May 05

Russian missile destroyer Admiral Panteleyev has freed eight Iranians who were part of the 29 suspected pirates. It is reported that Iranians were kept as hostages by the suspected Somali pirates for more than three months.


Somali Piracy: Suspected Pirates are Also from Iran and Pakistan

Russia was considering trying those detained.

Somali pirates could face trial in Russia | Russia | RIA Novosti

In the end the Pakistanis and Iranians were returned to their respective countries.

Russia hands over Somali pirates to Middle East states — RT

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Old 24th Aug 2011, 02:03   #27 (permalink)

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Any one else remember the Royal Navy fat birds being snatched by the lranians ? With a frigate watching ?
lt wouldn`t have happened in Hornblower`s day.
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Old 24th Aug 2011, 03:11   #28 (permalink)
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Embarrassingly for the uk, a few weeks before exactly the same situation was engineered around the RN, some Royal Australian Navy personnel were threatened in the same manner.

The Aussies (literally) stuck up two fingers, pointed their cocked weapons and told the Iranians to go away. They did.

Made the RN, with it's hard won and impeccable fighting reputation, look tragic.
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Old 25th Sep 2011, 21:25   #29 (permalink)

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Ah, what you don`t realise is that those parts of society that couldn`t speak their name earlier have to be included now, by law. And l, for one, object very strongly indeed about watering down our traditional strengths.

Mind, according to the young multi-millionare, never had a proper job in his life, Chancellor of the Exchequer, we are all in this " together".

l honestly don`t know whether to laugh, or start hoarding petrol bombs.

Half of our Members of Parliament forgot who they were representing the first time the bent expenses cheque arrived, the rest didn`t seem interested anyway, having been handed the "seat" by friends.

Democracy ?
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Old 26th Sep 2011, 23:34   #30 (permalink)
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i would like to propose some new ROE on sighting of a pirate Skiff.

"4-5 Engage!"
"6 rounds VT Fuse High"
"6 rounds DA"

Then sail away.

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Old 27th Sep 2011, 01:21   #31 (permalink)
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You'd just have committed murder.
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Old 27th Sep 2011, 01:30   #32 (permalink)
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Pr00ne.....why not at all!

He would have solved some problems most rikki tik....kept up the Gunnery Department's edge....and shown some good commonsense. No sense keeping ammunition around till you have to dispose of it by controlled detonation.

If we popped every Pirate boat and crew we ran across...Piracy would soon cease to be a problem.

Our Navy SEALs did fine with a one-two punch a while back as well.
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Old 27th Sep 2011, 01:32   #33 (permalink)
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Sorry, it wouldn't solve anything, it would just mean that he was a murderer.
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Old 27th Sep 2011, 01:52   #34 (permalink)
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To you a murderer, to me a saviour
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Old 27th Sep 2011, 02:00   #35 (permalink)
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Sorry, it wouldn't solve anything, it would just mean that he was a murderer.
If you killed enough of them, and if the probability of being killed versus success as a pirate was high it would.

Your only a murderer if its a illegal killing, just need to make sure your government crosses the t's and dots the i's before hand.
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Old 27th Sep 2011, 02:09   #36 (permalink)

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"Sorry, it wouldn't solve anything, it would just mean that he was a murderer."

As rh200 said but

I would add, let them open fire or brandish weapons in a threatening manner
first, then you have legal right to defend.

If the Australian Gov't can "stem" the flow of refugee boats by playing hard line on policy, with the reverse effect after they relaxed the policy, imagine how it would shut off refugees if a few boats were sunk.

I reckon if you apply the same criteria to the Pirates and they stopped returning to home port, they would stop heading out.
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Old 27th Sep 2011, 16:01   #37 (permalink)
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It must be great to live in fluffy-land, where quoting soft Western morals is supposed to change the way that things have/do happen in real life.
For pr00ne: I see no reason for the term "pirate" to not be synonymous with "target" given what pirates do.

Seem to recall the Royal Navy, among others, engaging in cannon shooting and ship sinking and killing for many long years, vis a vis pirates.

Do I now understand that you are, as a revisionist historian, asserting that the Royal Navy was naught but a collection of maritime murderers? I would hope not.

Granted, many pirates were captured and taken to hang, after summary judgment. But many also died on the bounding main.

Perhaps one ought to learn from history, rather than trying to rewrite it or simply ignore it. Piracy pays, at present, along the Somali coast. The trick is to change that calculus, to the point that piracy does not pay.

I seem to recall that the Americans decided to stop putting up with making piracy pay, and sent the flotillas to deal with the pirates along the Barbary Coast. It worked.

I suggest, again, learn from history about how to deal with pirates effectively. Huggy fluffy don't cut it.
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Old 27th Sep 2011, 16:40   #38 (permalink)
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I have suggested it before - "Q Ships".

Just remember to raise Ensigns before opening rapid fire. It worked against U-Boats!!!
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Old 27th Sep 2011, 17:21   #39 (permalink)
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Monday, June 1. 2009

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This was around a few years back; fantasy, I believe (so far!)


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That's because you are welcome to bring your own arsenal with you. If you don't have your own weapons, you can rent them from our onboard Master Gunsmith. Enjoy reloading parties every afternoon with skeet and marksmanship competitions every night!

But the best fun of all, of course, is Pirate Target Practice.

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Old 27th Sep 2011, 17:23   #40 (permalink)
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Do Somali pirates fly the Jolly Roger...?

Or do those that advocate sinking pirates suggest naval forces open fire on any vessel fulfilling some of the criteria for a pirate vessel? Great - until the first time it goes wrong!

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