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I'll second that....... very impressive.
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Not on your life ... no tie downs or rotor/tail fold...
but then again the gearbox would probably have packed up somewhere just off the coast anyhow...
but then again the gearbox would probably have packed up somewhere just off the coast anyhow...
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or could a CH47 or Puma or UH60 or Mil17 or UH1 or.....
and I think we all know the answer to that one.
dedicated aircraft designed to land on small ships, land on small ships, that means very few:
Naval Lynx, NH90 NFH, SH60, Merlin Mk1, Seasprite..
BTW a Mk3 could probably handle getting on the deck, better tail rotor authority and higher MGB ratings than a Mk1, staying on the deck is a different matter, although submin is technically available, note that even this Lynx is engaging its deck lock.
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dedicated aircraft designed to land on small ships, land on small ships, that means very few:
Naval Lynx, NH90 NFH, SH60, Merlin Mk1, Seasprite..
BTW a Mk3 could probably handle getting on the deck, better tail rotor authority and higher MGB ratings than a Mk1, staying on the deck is a different matter, although submin is technically available, note that even this Lynx is engaging its deck lock.
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Ready to be yelled at but thought I'd ask anyway.
WHY ?
It's peacetime why risk the crew of the Lynx or the groundcrew ? The FDO, has got big oval things standing in that position awaiting the landing.
I realize that these things have to be practiced or that the sea state may have been moderate when they launched. But it just seems to me a bit dodgy.
I'm ready for the incoming
WHY ?
It's peacetime why risk the crew of the Lynx or the groundcrew ? The FDO, has got big oval things standing in that position awaiting the landing.
I realize that these things have to be practiced or that the sea state may have been moderate when they launched. But it just seems to me a bit dodgy.
I'm ready for the incoming
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Picks135,
The video is of testing to confirm whether all those calculations and measurements had been correct.
All the wind measurements on and above decks for turbulence flows, along with rate of change of deck angles and movement measurements is great. As is modelling and computery whizzery. Unfortunately it gets to a stage where some one actually has to go and try it.
Then pilots, aircrew, and ships crew all have to practice it. No point just doing it when a war breaks out, or someone needs rescuing. You will fail. It must be practiced to maintain competency.
The video is of testing to confirm whether all those calculations and measurements had been correct.
All the wind measurements on and above decks for turbulence flows, along with rate of change of deck angles and movement measurements is great. As is modelling and computery whizzery. Unfortunately it gets to a stage where some one actually has to go and try it.
Then pilots, aircrew, and ships crew all have to practice it. No point just doing it when a war breaks out, or someone needs rescuing. You will fail. It must be practiced to maintain competency.
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From the video I would say the weather was a Force 7 with wave heights averaging 8 metres trough to crest and wave length of about sixty metres. The conditions appear worse due to the fact that HDMS Ejnar Mikkelsen is not tackling the waves pointy end on.
The above are guesstimates from the video.
Wonder what the SHOL is for that deck?
From the video I would say the weather was a Force 7 with wave heights averaging 8 metres trough to crest and wave length of about sixty metres. The conditions appear worse due to the fact that HDMS Ejnar Mikkelsen is not tackling the waves pointy end on.
The above are guesstimates from the video.
in for pitch, in for role, giving a green....
note that he picked a quiescent period (roll-wise at least), before committing.
WAFUs - paid faster, not more.
note that he picked a quiescent period (roll-wise at least), before committing.
WAFUs - paid faster, not more.
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...and that's why we think that the RAF are pussies.......
see Danish Naval Air Squadron - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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1. It was blatantly banter, so unclench your cheeks.
2. It matters not which Navy, we all sail on the same waves. Danish ships move very similarly to RN ships strangely enough.
3. Who says I my only passport is British?
2. It matters not which Navy, we all sail on the same waves. Danish ships move very similarly to RN ships strangely enough.
3. Who says I my only passport is British?
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What skill? What a lack of sanity and airmanship, I'd suggest!
What was the operational necessity?
What was the value of standing off over a seriously pitching deck only to 'land on' on what was a relatively flat calm platform in the end.
Training value! Nope, I disagree, hval. Please tell us what training value there is in looking at a seriously pitching deck other than to realise that there is no point in attempting it!
If he had departed that deck previously, where was the diversion?
If there was no diversion, why did he launch?
Crass stupidity if you ask me (but you didn't)!
Foldie
PS. Evidently a 'pussie', but one who has operated off the deck of one of HM's DDs!
What was the operational necessity?
What was the value of standing off over a seriously pitching deck only to 'land on' on what was a relatively flat calm platform in the end.
Training value! Nope, I disagree, hval. Please tell us what training value there is in looking at a seriously pitching deck other than to realise that there is no point in attempting it!
If he had departed that deck previously, where was the diversion?
If there was no diversion, why did he launch?
Crass stupidity if you ask me (but you didn't)!
Foldie
PS. Evidently a 'pussie', but one who has operated off the deck of one of HM's DDs!
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It's a SHOL trial, ie test pilots working out where the edge of the deck use envelope is.
It is normal to wait for the quiessent period before landing.
Nothing abnormal or unprofessional about that video at all. Nicely handled.
Oh, and diversion not required or normal. That is why it is neccessary for all Navy pilots to practise when it is frisky.
It is normal to wait for the quiessent period before landing.
Nothing abnormal or unprofessional about that video at all. Nicely handled.
Oh, and diversion not required or normal. That is why it is neccessary for all Navy pilots to practise when it is frisky.
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Good Morning Foldinwings
Good morning Foldingwings,
Don't be so shy and retiring I say, why not come right out and say what you mean. (humour Foldie, just humour).
The aircrews first diversion was the much larger vessel besides the poor ol' little Ejnar Mikkelson. Next of, this was a trial. Need to confirm model data and need to confirm in realistic conditions. By changing which way the pointy end of the ship is, with respect to the waves, you have an immediate effect on "rock & roll". The conditions shown were within predicted acceptable limits.
As for practice, one must always practice. There will always be a time where you need this capability. Normally when such a capability is required the weather is crap. Without practice, chances are you will fail. With practice you succeed. You don't leap in to landing on ships decks in gale force winds, Force 12 wave heights, etc. immediately; You work your way up.
After all the military have a requirement to carry out tasks in all conditions. Can't just stop hunting that Yassen class submarine who is out to get you, just because of a little weather.
Don't be so shy and retiring I say, why not come right out and say what you mean. (humour Foldie, just humour).
The aircrews first diversion was the much larger vessel besides the poor ol' little Ejnar Mikkelson. Next of, this was a trial. Need to confirm model data and need to confirm in realistic conditions. By changing which way the pointy end of the ship is, with respect to the waves, you have an immediate effect on "rock & roll". The conditions shown were within predicted acceptable limits.
As for practice, one must always practice. There will always be a time where you need this capability. Normally when such a capability is required the weather is crap. Without practice, chances are you will fail. With practice you succeed. You don't leap in to landing on ships decks in gale force winds, Force 12 wave heights, etc. immediately; You work your way up.
After all the military have a requirement to carry out tasks in all conditions. Can't just stop hunting that Yassen class submarine who is out to get you, just because of a little weather.
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That'll be Glesca humour, hval! I recognise that, as it's ma hame toon!
Now, sort out the difference between the noun 'practice' and the verb 'to practise' and then I'll believe you! (humour hval, just humour).
Foldie
Now, sort out the difference between the noun 'practice' and the verb 'to practise' and then I'll believe you! (humour hval, just humour).
Foldie
