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Old 11th Apr 2011, 13:24   #1041 (permalink)
 
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BAE Systems Responds To An Urgent Operational Requirement For Frontline - BAE Systems

BAE Systems Responds to An Urgent Operational Requirement For Frontline UK Tornados

Warton, UK. BAE Systems is responding to an urgent operational requirement to equip the UK Tornado fleet with a Helmet Mounted Cueing System (HMCS). Work starts immediately on the £8m contract to integrate the system on to the aircraft.

Tornado crews in-theatre currently provide close air support, tactical reconnaissance and convoy support to land forces. The Helmet Mounted Cueing System will project visual targeting symbols on to the visor of the pilot’s helmet, in front of one eye.
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Old 11th Apr 2011, 13:35   #1042 (permalink)
 
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On the video that jwcook posted, post number 1044 I think, the symbology looks different from the first pass to the second pass. On the first pass, the legs were flashing and on the second pass, where the tank is destroyed, there is no flashing symbology on the targetting pod display. Is there any reason for this?
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Old 11th Apr 2011, 13:46   #1043 (permalink)
 
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the men who fire them have little idea of how far these rockets fly, a limited ability to change their elevation
Here's another example of how not to do it.


Thats one trashed pick-up and bedding roll. Amateurs.
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Old 11th Apr 2011, 13:56   #1044 (permalink)
 
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Martin Taylor, BAE Systems’ Combat Air Support Director says: “BAE Systems is proud to be awarded the contract to integrate the system, which had already been developed and deployed on the Harrier GR9 aircraft. BAE Systems recognises its responsibility to support the men and women of our armed forces with the best possible equipment particularly when they are operating in-theatre.”

Something the Harriers had that GR4 did not and why is costing £8million.
What happen to the Helmet's that Harriers used use?
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Old 11th Apr 2011, 15:04   #1045 (permalink)
 
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It's less about the helmets than the kit in the ac needed to make them work. GR4 was never supposed to get this mod before it took over in Herrick.

I didn't think it had made it to GR9 sqns before they were cut, but I await someone with more knowledge than me commenting.
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Old 11th Apr 2011, 16:02   #1046 (permalink)
 
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Helmets are already procured, they have 4 "pads" that are studded with LEDs. A small prism reflects targetting info onto the visor. Day and night helmets are available for pilot only. It looks quite groovy, but bear in mind it's a cue-ing system not a full HMS.

Only 2 sensors mounted on the seat are requred to determine helmet position.
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Old 11th Apr 2011, 18:50   #1047 (permalink)
 
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See following.

FLYER Forums • View topic - The Harrier GR.9 and Operation Herrick

Lt Cdr James Blackmore wrote,

For the final six months, we operated with a Helmet Mounted Cueing System (HMCS). This allows the pilot to quickly identify coordinates on the ground using a red diamond that is projected over it on a reticule placed over the right eye. This is an excellent tool in increasing spatial awareness and takes away the need to spend vital minutes using binoculars to identify features from a map. Equally, in reverse, the pilot is able to look around the battle space and if he sees something of interest, he simply looks at it, designates it using controls on the throttle and immediately the SNIPER ATP will move to look at that same point on the ground.

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Old 11th Apr 2011, 20:00   #1048 (permalink)
 
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Thanks TEEJ, I didn't know that.

I must admit I managed quite well in the GR4 without a HMS, but then I didn't have a situation where I saw something from the front seat and needed to get the ac kit/Litening pod pointing towards it. Usually it was the JTAC queueing the pod on for the Nav and after that it was really easy.

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Old 11th Apr 2011, 21:12   #1049 (permalink)
 
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I guess it is the same thing that the Jags used to have, years ago? That seemed pretty useful when the guys were using it on TLP.

Pity that the Jag only managed to get airborne when tooled up 'cos of the curvature of the earth.
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Old 11th Apr 2011, 21:54   #1050 (permalink)

 
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Oh God, that reminds me of watching the jags staging through Cyprus on the way out to GW1. I'll swear the last one in the trail, in August, got airborne with inches to spare.
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Old 11th Apr 2011, 22:30   #1051 (permalink)
 
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No problem, Just another jocky.

Some recent videos from the conflict.

Rebel UB-32 in action.


Tornado GR4 - 8th April footage.


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Old 12th Apr 2011, 01:05   #1052 (permalink)


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Teeej...

You should either brush up on your computer skills or check your work once done...
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Old 12th Apr 2011, 07:05   #1053 (permalink)
 
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JAJ wrote:

I must admit I managed quite well in the GR4 without a HMS, but then I didn't have a situation where I saw something from the front seat and needed to get the ac kit/Litening pod pointing towards it. Usually it was the JTAC queueing the pod on for the Nav and after that it was really easy.

So aren't we just pointing out that all that techno-geekery on Jag/Harrier was just desparately trying to compensate for the lack of a back-seater?
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AA wrote,

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You should either brush up on your computer skills or check your work once done..
AA,

It would be helpful if you highlighted the particular post. I'm not seeing any problems at my end? You Tube have recently changed their share URL links. The share link now has the short URL, but by taking the video ID code and and inserting it between the HTML you tube blocks then the video will appear. This share link problem might possibly be corrupted on your browser? It works OK for me. Anyone else having problems?

Sharing codes corrupted - YouTube Help

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Old 12th Apr 2011, 10:55   #1055 (permalink)
 
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AA,

As you can see the You Tube change is causing problems on all forums and all over the Internet. As the URLs are changed by You Tube then the originally embedded videos will simply not form a link.

YouTube Embedded Videos

What One Song Is Your Current Sound Track?

I'll try and edit my posts that are now showing dead links.

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Old 12th Apr 2011, 11:42   #1056 (permalink)


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Teej:

My apologies... When I visited the Youtube links were indeed bad so they showed as [you_tube]1786shbxdy27[/you_tube] without the underscores. Not being a frequent visitor to Youtube I was unaware of the changes they were making...
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Old 12th Apr 2011, 12:26   #1057 (permalink)
 
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AA,

No problem. I've gone through the thread and edited my posts with the current up-to-date links.



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Old 12th Apr 2011, 12:45   #1058 (permalink)
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The rebels have Hinds?! I must pay more attention.

If the struggle continues, and if the majority of the ground forces on both sides transit via the coast road then that road needs to cut with a 10 mile buffer zone, anything on wheels/tracks in that zone would be examined closely (UAVs? Apache?) and then dealt with accordingly.

Perhaps a UN solution? If the UN can keep the Greeks and the Turks apart in Cyprus then separating the opposing forces in Libya shouldn't present too much of a problem ...?

Surely this cannot end up in yet another political mess where the effectiveness of military ops is compromised by general political incompetence? Too depressing for words
Mike, that is exactly what I said at serial 980 and it would seem that that is more or less what NATO is doing stopping both sides from flying. Certainlyif you don't want your tank plnked then keep it out of harms way.
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Hi all, I have a question which I guess is related to this thread.
I'm a project scientist for a satellite sensor, and over the previous few weeks I've noticed some anomalous data over Libya during the night. Some investigation suggests that these are related to the unrest that's been going on over there, which is interesting to us as we haven't considered it possible to monitor such events with our satellite.

So, are any of you aware of a contact point in the RAF, or other AF involved in Libya, who may be able to assist me in identifying these anomalous data points? I know they're explosions, but it would be useful to have an source confirm this. Of course, I understand the sensitivity of the subject, and would not expect any other information apart from yes/no for a list of 5-10 points that I can provide.
If any of you can let me know such a contact I'd be very grateful, and if you want more details of what I'm doing then feel free to PM me.
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Once again the RAF has lost out on 10 years of capability due to a poor decision being made at higher level. The Jaguar 96 HMS was developed for the Tornado F3 in 2001. This was mainly to achieve the 'high off boresight' shots that ASRAAM would provide. It was, however, possible to slew the radar, TIALD pod, or any other sensor to the helmet. Equally it was possible to be cued visually to any object being tracked by a sensor. The software was written by SMT, ground trialled and ready for flight trail. The 1553 data bus was installed in an OEU aircraft. At the last minute the plug was pulled on the programme due to cost. Although not admitted publicly there was concern that the programme would compromise the 'already slipping' Typhoon in servive date. At the time the GR1/4 force stated that they did not need an HMS and could not see the benifit. Why are the RAF so short sighted and stovepipe their ideas to one role or platform. Maybe it is because every officer from Sqn Cdr to CAS has spent the last 10 years defending his own platform at all costs, no mater how wrong those decisions were?
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