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Pup Flyer,
Now picked up by more news agencies.
The Press Association: RAF Typhoons boost Libyan campaign
During 2008 RAF Typhoons were cleared for Paveway II, Enhanced Paveway and 27mm Mauser.
http://www.xisquadron.co.uk/News/AFM...ngsofSwing.pdf
TJ
Now picked up by more news agencies.
The Press Association: RAF Typhoons boost Libyan campaign
During 2008 RAF Typhoons were cleared for Paveway II, Enhanced Paveway and 27mm Mauser.
http://www.xisquadron.co.uk/News/AFM...ngsofSwing.pdf
TJ
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Thanks on the AWACS bit, was not aware. 
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There is no need to use a sledgehammer to crack a nut at all. There is nothing as far as I know stopping the Tiffys dropping 1000lb non exploding LGB's on targets in built up areas, as was done by the GR4's in Iraq back in 2003. Also, surely it wouldn't cost a packet for 17 and 41 Sqn to do a quick trial to clear release of the 540 from the Tiffy, in formation with a GR4, using the Tonka's weapon system to compute weapon release and do the lasing. Buccs and GR1's managed to do it in 1991 pretty quickly.
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Fuel situation at Sigonella mentioned previously on this thread grounds Swedish Jas-39s deployed there. Someone did not read the flight supplement?
Fuel at Sigonella not suitable for Grpen
Still, the Sweedes are restricted to air to air missions for some reason
Fuel at Sigonella not suitable for Grpen
Still, the Sweedes are restricted to air to air missions for some reason
I guessed the Tiffy FCS wasn't programmed to drop 540's.....unless somebody forks out a wadd of dosh for the software!!! But the GR4's FCS can handle 540's!!! Hence the suggestion for a mixed (close) formation in which the Tonka WSO tells the Tiffy pilot to pickle the weapon by radio (which should get the bomb into the Laser basket with enough energy), and then guides the weapon on to the target. This method is by no ways perfect, but it should work, of course as long as a Tiffy can manually pickle a weapon!!!
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Well it looks as if the Tiffy's will be going multi-role..
4 Typhoons to be allocated to ground attack commitments..
Flying Canopeners "Tin Opening" over Libya again soon?
A question mind..
With two squadrons worth of air assets being taken out of the loop for the foreseeable future, are 13 and 14's disbandment plans going to be checked or are all the other units going to be stiffed with even more overstretched commitments ....
4 Typhoons to be allocated to ground attack commitments..
Flying Canopeners "Tin Opening" over Libya again soon?
A question mind..
With two squadrons worth of air assets being taken out of the loop for the foreseeable future, are 13 and 14's disbandment plans going to be checked or are all the other units going to be stiffed with even more overstretched commitments ....
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Justanopinion - I'm sure you understand there is a difference between availibilty of certain fuel for 'one-off' transit stops and the availability of same said fuel if there were a requirement to mount sustained ops?
The cost of having to flush/fill/flush available tankers/hydrant fuel systems to cater for an occassional a/c passing through would most likely be the reason they state "only F44 available" but as I stated, it'd be very unusual for a land-based facility holding such stocks not to have F35 as this is the base product from which F44 is derived.
To return to the point I mentioned earlier, for operations in Iraq there were no large quanities of F34 available in theatre, which meant having to receive F35, adding AL48 on receipt and then forwarding stocks within theatre to cater for outlying sites as well as retaining sufficiant stocks to cater for Basrah AB elements as well as airbridge requirements. All this was done via a single blending rig, a relatvely small amount of EBFI pipework and an 10x136k litre TFC farm (2 for F35, 8 for F34), something that can be setup in very little time.
You seem to be comparing the issues you had on what, a transit through Sig, to what is possible/available in order to sustain longer term ops. The two aren't comparable.
The cost of having to flush/fill/flush available tankers/hydrant fuel systems to cater for an occassional a/c passing through would most likely be the reason they state "only F44 available" but as I stated, it'd be very unusual for a land-based facility holding such stocks not to have F35 as this is the base product from which F44 is derived.
To return to the point I mentioned earlier, for operations in Iraq there were no large quanities of F34 available in theatre, which meant having to receive F35, adding AL48 on receipt and then forwarding stocks within theatre to cater for outlying sites as well as retaining sufficiant stocks to cater for Basrah AB elements as well as airbridge requirements. All this was done via a single blending rig, a relatvely small amount of EBFI pipework and an 10x136k litre TFC farm (2 for F35, 8 for F34), something that can be setup in very little time.
You seem to be comparing the issues you had on what, a transit through Sig, to what is possible/available in order to sustain longer term ops. The two aren't comparable.
Tiffys dropping 1000lb non exploding LGB's
SASless wrote,
Nothing new in the use of inert weapons. The Coalition used them during Iraq (Northern and Southern Watch). Also used during the insurgency in Iraq.
See 'Current Inventory of Low-Collateral-Damage Weapons' in the following article.
Adding less-lethal arrows to the quiver for counterinsurgency air operations.
TJ
Dropping non-exploding bombs during a Non-War...one could not make this up and it be any better!
See 'Current Inventory of Low-Collateral-Damage Weapons' in the following article.
Adding less-lethal arrows to the quiver for counterinsurgency air operations.
TJ
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UK and French diplomatic efforts to scrounge more ground attack aircraft.
British Say NATO Faces Jet Shortage - WSJ.com
British Say NATO Faces Jet Shortage - WSJ.com
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NATO officials say there are plenty of aircraft to police an arms embargo and a no-fly zone. But fewer nations have committed jets to the mission to protect civilians. There are enough warplanes to carry out the civilian-protection role, the officials say. "But it would be better to have more than enough," one said. NATO officials say the U.S. stands ready to carry out strike sorties, if needed.
On Wednesday, British Prime Minister David Cameron called his counterparts in Italy, Spain and Belgium to encourage them to chip in more ground attack aircraft, according to a British official.
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NATO officials say there are plenty of aircraft to police an arms embargo and a no-fly zone. But fewer nations have committed jets to the mission to protect civilians. There are enough warplanes to carry out the civilian-protection role, the officials say. "But it would be better to have more than enough," one said. NATO officials say the U.S. stands ready to carry out strike sorties, if needed.
On Wednesday, British Prime Minister David Cameron called his counterparts in Italy, Spain and Belgium to encourage them to chip in more ground attack aircraft, according to a British official.
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TEEEJ....have you no appreciation for the sublime? This whole Libya thiing is a fecking farce!
Barry Boy cranks up a War without any effort to get American support...relies purely upon a UN Resolution....cites some bull**** "Humanitarian Crisis" when it is a plain old ordinary Civil War.
If we use Barry Boy's reasoning we will be involved in literally hundreds of Wars in the guise of saving humanity.
Where are the Left Wing Radical Bush Bashers these days...if Dubya was a War Criminal in their feeble minds....Barry Boy should be the Anti-Christ as his own officials clearly state we have no National Security issue in this matter!
For crap sakes....bring the Lads and Lasses home...park the airplanes on the pad and let'em have the weekend off and get back to living a peaceful existence.
Barry Boy cranks up a War without any effort to get American support...relies purely upon a UN Resolution....cites some bull**** "Humanitarian Crisis" when it is a plain old ordinary Civil War.
If we use Barry Boy's reasoning we will be involved in literally hundreds of Wars in the guise of saving humanity.
Where are the Left Wing Radical Bush Bashers these days...if Dubya was a War Criminal in their feeble minds....Barry Boy should be the Anti-Christ as his own officials clearly state we have no National Security issue in this matter!
For crap sakes....bring the Lads and Lasses home...park the airplanes on the pad and let'em have the weekend off and get back to living a peaceful existence.
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So, the allies bombed the Libyan rebels.
As the allies are only there to enforce a no fly zone, enforce an arms embargo and protect civilians, why did Mr Hague apologise for this bombing?
The rebels must have been doing something wrong in order for the rules of engagement to apply, or is this proof of mission creep where the allies are taking out the Gadaffi loyal forces willy nilly?
In this case, if the rebels were using vehicles thought to only be used by loyalists, and these vehicles weren't engaging civilians, why were they attacked?
As the allies are only there to enforce a no fly zone, enforce an arms embargo and protect civilians, why did Mr Hague apologise for this bombing?
The rebels must have been doing something wrong in order for the rules of engagement to apply, or is this proof of mission creep where the allies are taking out the Gadaffi loyal forces willy nilly?
In this case, if the rebels were using vehicles thought to only be used by loyalists, and these vehicles weren't engaging civilians, why were they attacked?