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Old 11th Jan 2011, 10:01   #1 (permalink)
 
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New Falklands War Brewing

Britain's isolation on Falklands grows with 'anti-colonial' Brazil snub - Telegraph

The word on the wire via emails between ex-senior officers from the UK forces is that USAN Union of South American Nations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia is planning a diplomatic 'assault' on the UK (including sanctions on exports) in an effort to 'restore the Malvinas to their rightful owners.'

I doubt whether in today's socio-politicl-economic climate that any UK leader would be willing pull another 'Maggie' and chances are that if a comprehensive petition is made by the nations of South America, Britain will probably yield 'something' to the Argies.

Just goes to prove that though few Argentinians have lived on the Falklands, the outcrops still seem to be of some importance to them!

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Old 11th Jan 2011, 10:03   #2 (permalink)

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Old 11th Jan 2011, 10:10   #3 (permalink)
 
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As oil seems to be the catalyst I suggest the Canadians should have a go for Alaska.
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Although a UN referendum on self-determination (one of, it not the, key underpinning principle(s) of these things, don't forget) would be interesting.

Govt says 'right, UN chaps - free and fair referendum, conducted under your auspices to see what the islanders want as per Article 1 of the Covenant on Civil and Political Rights'.

Referendum held - Falklanders vote to remain British. As the thing is UN-run, the Argentines have no chance of claiming that the vote has been rigged - what do they do then? Ignore self-determination principle and try to invade? Sanctions against the UK on the grounds of... what, exactly? Upholding self-determination?

It would be a potentially useful mechanism to wrong-foot the Argentines (perhaps coupled with rumours that a couple of SSNs are in the area, just in case).

And it'd save us multiple threads on here about how a carrier is the one and only way of protecting the Falklands (Pprune, passim)...
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Old 11th Jan 2011, 10:22   #5 (permalink)
 
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Cool, can the English have one whilst we are at it.
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Old 11th Jan 2011, 10:51   #6 (permalink)
 
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Archimedes I like your approach but I think that all this will do is buy time.

The Argies will reject such a referendum based on their belief that Falkland Islanders do not have the right to determine their destiny as they are on borrowed ground - in much the same way as the Palestenians view the Israelis.

The communications I've read point towards USAN contesting the UK's claim to the Falklands using all kinds of cultural, political and geographical arguments to support this. Technicalities currently in favour of the UK are viewed as part of the UK's colonial influence which is as wrong as the 'occupation' of the Falklands itself!

Given that regional oilex has so far been negative I wonder whether resources are the motivation?

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Old 11th Jan 2011, 11:02   #7 (permalink)
 
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Falkland Islands Goverment Department of Mineral Resources - introduction page
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Old 11th Jan 2011, 11:02   #8 (permalink)
 
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WWIII is a Global Economic War that has been raging for over 2 years.

This is just another front opening.

.....and we are going to lose.......

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Old 11th Jan 2011, 12:41   #9 (permalink)
 
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Desire drills another dry hole off Falklands - Oil & Gas Journal

This is not to say that they won't discover commercial quantities of the black stuff, I'm sure they will and, when that happens is when sparks are likely to fly!
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Old 11th Jan 2011, 13:02   #10 (permalink)
 
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Maybe the UK can back the Argintine Native American's bid to have Argentinians move back to Spain. Ditto for moving Brazilians back to Portugal.
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Old 11th Jan 2011, 14:45   #11 (permalink)
 
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Just tell the argies, brazilians & spams to f**k off.

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Old 11th Jan 2011, 15:34   #12 (permalink)
 
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The Falklands have no indigenous people, they were uninhabited prior to their discovery & colonization, first by the British, then the Argentinians (who themselves were colonists from Spain) & then by the British who kicked the Argies out (for the first time) for settling in their land. To make the Falklands the Malvinas would simply be replacing one colonial power with another.

Therefore the only solution is to allow the right to self determination of the inhabitants, and we all know where that will go which is why the Argentinians won't allow it.

Anyway, we won the war fair & square so the islands must be ours!
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Old 11th Jan 2011, 15:51   #13 (permalink)

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Old 11th Jan 2011, 15:57   #14 (permalink)
 
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They are ours, so jog on you Argies.
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Old 11th Jan 2011, 16:05   #15 (permalink)
 
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As oil seems to be the catalyst I suggest the Canadians should have a go for Alaska.
Why would we do that? We already have more on our side of the line and we can't properly digest what we've got?

P.S. Don't tell Sarah!
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Old 11th Jan 2011, 16:07   #16 (permalink)
 
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It's OK. 556 is on QRA at Lyneham.
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Old 11th Jan 2011, 17:07   #17 (permalink)
 
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Is it possible to load a TLAM with loo roll as a warning shot ?! SSN's, your chance to shine.

IF there are any operational - this takes 'The Few' to a whole new level !

This was oh, so predictable; seem to be feeling deja vu, selling carriers, binning Harriers...Shurely Shome Mishtake...
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Old 11th Jan 2011, 17:34   #18 (permalink)
 
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There is no more need for a UN referendum in the Falklands than there is for one on the Isle of Wight. The legal ownership of the Islands is not in any doubt as the Argentine claim is utterly without merit. None whatever, and it's a tragedy and a shame that some British people here seem bizarely to take an opposite view and rant on about the "evils" of "colonialism", whatever they are. The evils of success I suppose.

The Argentine claim is based on a spell of just a few years of settelment and based on the universally derided and spurious basis of "first settlement", so by their own argument the Islands are actually French! (Colonial brutes!) They have been British continuously since 1833, just 60 years less than the USA has been independant, or, by the Argentine argument, illegaly stolen from Britain. Apart from Florida and Louisiana which ar French of course. Or does it all belong to the Red Indians? Or the Clovis people? Or...

Germany has about as much lawful claim over the Channel Islands, which by Argie "logic" should be handed back to the French anyway- a far stronger claim. But then we'd get most of Northern France and Burgundy...and as to central Europe that "logic" would probably produce the longest war in human history as everyone fights everyone for everywhere.

We can either acknowledge these idiotic arguments and dismantle the world sociopolitically by handing it back to the "first nations" or we can let the revisionist troublemakers know that they've come to the wrong shop for adventurous "I was there first several hundred years ago" landgrabs and get on with the important things in global politics.

Which way is progress, and which the greatest self imposed humanitarian chaos ever?
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Old 11th Jan 2011, 19:11   #19 (permalink)
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There are a few islands in the Pacific that are ours. I think they are collectively known as Hawaii. Maybe we should civilize them and introduce the natives to cricket and rugby.


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Old 11th Jan 2011, 19:14   #20 (permalink)
 
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The Brazilians aren't daft, whilst they may be willing to make noises about South American brotherhood and deny the odd port visit they are not going to risk a trade war with the UK and by extension the EU about some windswept rocks they couldn't give a damn about!


The biggest casualty here will be the loss of Jacks favorite run ashore
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